I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

Nice tautology. If she were not to become who she is then she wouldn't be who she is.

Edit, with better phrasing: If only she weren't Hillary Clinton then she wouldn't be Hillary Clinton.

and as I posted in the other thread, we studied Hillary Clinton's work on child advocacy years before we heard of Bill Clinton, so your whole nobody would have heard of her shtick is just that, shtick. People had already heard of her before he became a thing.

Set aside for the moment Hillary Clinton's questionable ethics, her weather-vane shifts in position, her eagerness to use force in foreign affairs, the taint that still clings to her from her husband's presidency and its regressive policies -- all that could be forgiven. But I cannot forgive Clinton for her vote in favor of the Iraq War. ...

But giving George W. Bush and his fellow brigands the authority to invade a country that posed no threat, in full violation of international law, was the sort of enormous, mind-boggling mistake that automatically disqualified her (and every on of her colleagues who voted along with her) from ever holding higher office.

She is manifestly unqualified for president.

She wouldn't be exactly who she is today if she hadn't married Bill Clinton, no. But that observation doesn't lead to the conclusion that she's unqualified, either.

Leaving the only pertinent question: Do you think that as of right now, she is unqualified for the presidency?

... And neither would Bill C. beCome as well-known as he was if it weren't for her. She contributed a lot to his campaigns and terms as President.?They're Clinton Incorporated .

sozobe wrote:

She wouldn't be exactly who she is today if she hadn't married Bill Clinton, no. But that observation doesn't lead to the conclusion that she's unqualified, either.

I never made that conclusion.

She disqualified herself when she voted in favor of dragging the US into a war led by Bush Jr. and his merry band of nincompoops.

Good. 'Cause it doesn't follow. (What ARE you arguing re: where she'd be if she hadn't married Bill? Does it have any bearing on anything?)

OK. That's at least arguable, unlike this alternative-history thing you had going. My argument would be: Yeah, that sucked, and I don't like it. I don't find it disqualifying though, especially since I wouldn't vote for someone I find unqualified for the presidency and I'm unwilling to contribute in any way to the election of someone I find truly unqualified -- Donald Trump.

So, you're comfortable just sitting this one out and if Trump wins, oh well?

If she were just Jane Schmoe, valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1969, nobody would have ever heard of her. After all, do you know who the valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1970 was? Thought not.

Lots of people work hard and make relationships, but they aren't married to a former president.

... And neither would Bill C. beCome as well-known as he was if it weren't for her. She contributed a lot to his campaigns and terms as President.?They're Clinton Incorporated .

You say that like it's a good thing.

Her family, friends, neighbors, fellow students, teachers, co-workers, other acquaintances, and a circle of persons within her chosen profession would also have heard of her.