The Pro Hillary Thread

@snood,

Guess I got no taste, I liked it which I why I posted it. She didn't look phony to me, the mom's (or grandmother) didn't look too happy. In any case, sorry.

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@revelette2,

No, Rev - I think it's fine that you posted it; certainly no need to apologize. Like I said - what it depicts is a real thing - her candidacy (and I hope presidency) will be a source of inspiration to females in the US. Just like Obama helped Black people honestly tell their kids that they really could grow up to be president, now parents can more credibly tell their girls they can be anything they aspire to be.

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@revelette2,

The photo is cute, I'm just cynical.

I wish Bernie would be a mensch and concede and start stumping for Hillary.
That's what she did on June 6th 8 years ago to get Obama elected.

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@panzade,

What's the opposite of a mensch?

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@snood,

schmegege

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@Blickers,

This is from Wikipedia:

The opposite of a "mensch" is an "unmensch" (meaning: an utterly unlikeable or unfriendly person). According to Leo Rosten, the Yiddish maven and author of The Joys of Yiddish

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How big is this?

Elizabeth Warren To Endorse Hillary Clinton: Report

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON, June 8 (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren will soon endorse presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and, while not currently interested in serving as her running mate, has not ruled it out, several sources close to Warren told Reuters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton-endorsement_us_5758a27ae4b0ced23ca6ffec

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I think what is inspiring about Clinton's win is how she has done it. She has not won because she is a towering orator like President Obama. She's not a charismatic who can inspire a stadium full of people like her husband. She doesn't play on her looks like Palin or Bachman. She don't have a shtick that comes over in a 10 second sound bite (Trump) or a down home, folksy approach that instantly connects with the people (Bush and Palin again). She just got there by working hard and making relationships one on one or in small groups. I read that anyone who talks with Clinton for a half hour will forever think she is the overwhelming best candidate for President. A recent Politico article on Sanders's campaign pointed out that he was furious that progressives in his party, people he considered his strongest allies, supported Clinton and he considered them sell outs for that. I think the more likely case is that they spoke with Clinton and realize how deep her knowledge and commitment are. It is not an accident that Clinton has the overwhelming support of the super delegates. These are people who have access to both candidates. Clinton may not pull in 10,000 people to a rally with soaring rhetoric and some high minded promises, but she can win them over one at a time with hard work. She is going to be a good President, maybe a great one. I have no concerns pulling the lever for her in November.

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A primer about the pro-Hillary world.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-and-why-market-and-wealthy-win-every-time

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

She just got there by working hard and making relationships one on one or in small groups.

You can't possibly believe that. Lots of people work hard and make relationships, but they aren't married to a former president.

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@joefromchicago,

I do believe that. Does being married to Bill Clinton help, sure. Does it hurt? Probably not as much as it helps, but I've heard "I won't vote for someone whose only qualification is she married the President" several times. Of all those negatives we keep hearing about Clinton, around two thirds are connected to her husband and the steady stream of Republican vitriol definitely has a Bill connection. Clinton has spent the last fifteen years working on her resume, building her knowledge base, creating the Hillary coalition. She's made some mistakes (like the Iraq war vote) and some compromises but she's a fine candidate for President.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

engineer wrote:
She just got there by working hard and making relationships one on one or in small groups.

You can't possibly believe that. Lots of people work hard and make relationships, but they aren't married to a former president.

No matter what you say, you can't erase the decades of service she's given to this country. You can't erase every correct stand she took on issues, you can't make the work she did on behalf of children's health meaningless.
I stated correctly that she is a historic figure, and Edgar rushed in right away to try to deny that fact. Engineer states correctly that she worked hard to get where she is and you try to nullify that fact by reminding us that she had a privileged position in life. Both things are true. For some reason, Hillary haters can only acknowledge half of the truth - only the bad things about Hillary, and none of the good.

Seems small minded to me, but to each their own.

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@joefromchicago,

I think it's only because of Hillary Clinton's hard work that she's been able to get past her history of being married to Bill Clinton. He's not a positive in her ledger IMNSHO.

I've long thought that if she were a more natural politician, she'd have been president before/instead of Mr. Clinton. Her child advocacy work was being studied in universities outside of the US in the 1980's. We'd never heard of him.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

I do believe that. Does being married to Bill Clinton help, sure.

If she were just Jane Schmoe, valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1969, nobody would have ever heard of her. After all, do you know who the valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1970 was? Thought not.

There are plenty of extremely well-qualified women out there who would make excellent presidents and who didn't support an illegal war run by a bunch of crooks and scoundrels. Clinton isn't one of them.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

No matter what you say, you can't erase the decades of service she's given to this country. You can't erase every correct stand she took on issues, you can't make the work she did on behalf of children's health meaningless.

On the contrary, I think she has done a lot of valuable work on behalf of children. So have plenty of other people. Those other people, however, never married a president, so we've never heard of them. To suggest, then, that Hillary Clinton got to where she is on her own is simply unworthy of credence.

snood wrote:

Engineer states correctly that she worked hard to get where she is and you try to nullify that fact by reminding us that she had a privileged position in life. Both things are true. For some reason, Hillary haters can only acknowledge half of the truth - only the bad things about Hillary, and none of the good.

It's a bad thing that she married Bill Clinton? OK, I'll give you that one.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

engineer wrote:

I do believe that. Does being married to Bill Clinton help, sure.

If she were just Jane Schmoe, valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1969, nobody would have ever heard of her. After all, do you know who the valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1970 was? Thought not.

There are plenty of extremely well-qualified women out there who would make excellent presidents and who didn't support an illegal war run by a bunch of crooks and scoundrels. Clinton isn't one of them.

So Clinton is NOT well qualified to be president?

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@joefromchicago,

It really doesn't matter how we heard of her, she is well qualified.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

So Clinton is NOT well qualified to be president?

Quite. She is manifestly unqualified for president.

I realize, though, that this is a forum for Clinton supporters, of which I am decidedly not a member. I will, therefore, excuse myself from this thread. If you want to continue this conversation elsewhere, I suggest my thread on why I'll never vote for Clinton.

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Hillary's story

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

If she were just Jane Schmoe, valedictorian of the Wellesley class of 1969, nobody would have ever heard of her.

this is absolutely untrue

as I noted above, we studied her work long before we heard of her husband

I think we'd have heard more if she 'hadn't backed down on her early work to support his political ambitions

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