Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

they're showing the cop-cam now

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Kelly House ✔ @Kelly_M_House
Finicum exited vehicle after getting trapped in snowbank, hands up, then reached into pocket where he had a 9mm gun. OSP troopers shot him.

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Kelly House ✔ @Kelly_M_House
Bretzing confirms 1 person left this a.m., 4 more left inside. #Oregonstandoff 9 total have left since checkpoints established

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Kelly House ✔ @Kelly_M_House
Troopers then used flashbangs, capsules with a pepper spray-like substance, and removed remaining people from vehicle. #Oregonstandoff

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Kelly House ✔ @Kelly_M_House
In search of truck, cops found 3 more loaded guns -- 2 semiauto rifles, 1 revolver #Oregonstandoff
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@boomerang,

Which, to me, is too damned bad. We're not all awful, and neither are you. I did have an old annoying friend who moved there. I was pretty sick of her, needy on top of needy, but she might have done well with oregonians, being a traveling physical therapist and interested in lots about oregon. Another pal, this one closer as a friend, was a pediatrician from Washington, who'd also practiced in LA's and Denver's Childrens hospitals and, moved to, I think, Salem. Wonder how she is...

Girl, I'm sorry I never met you, if only for an airport meeting (I had one of those with JLNobody, something like 20 minutes max but worth every second).

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LOL, remember the guy who was acting so fierce in this video?

Well, here he is again. Just about on his knees begging not to get arrested, go to the 3:57 mark if you get sick of the song. Guy turns out to be a really short guy built like a bowling ball with legs.

As I mentioned previously, this is another militia guy who kept coming and going. He stayed at the place perhaps for a few days, went home to Idaho, and returned three or four times for a few days each in the month of the occupation. The whole thing never really was an occupation, more like picketing in shifts. The authorities no doubt let them get away with this hoping they'd get sick and tired of nothing happening and leave on their own, but they weren't smart enough to figure out that they weren't going to get what they want.

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The FBI released the video
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/28/1476602/-FBI-release-video-LaVoy-Finicum-s-fatal-confrontation-with-police-to-dispel-rumors?detail=facebook

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html

There's a video of the murder here. The guy had his hands outstretched and was approaching the feds. Some fed snuck up behind him and shot him in the back. At the last second, before being gunned down, he heard the guy creeping up behind him and started to turn to see what it was. That's when he was executed.

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@edgarblythe,

Somehow I overlooked this post, Ed. Yeah, that's the one.

Edit: Now that I look at it, no, it's not the same one. In yours the whole murder seems to be blocked out by trees, so you can't see what happened.

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@layman,

watched it hours ago

your description doesn't match what is seen

not at all

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@layman,

Pretty clear what happened. The car tried to avoid the blockade and got stalled in the snow. At 9:20 Finicum comes out of the car walking quickly with his hands overhead, but then when he gets close to the cops his hands go down and he reaches for something in his belt or pocket. That's when he got shot.

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@Blickers,

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Pretty clear what happened.

Exactly. The guy snuck up from behind him, gun drawn and pointed straight at the victim, until he was within a few feet and startled Levoy. Sensing a sneak attack, he tried to turn and see the threat. He was, without question, prepared to defend himself against cold-blooded murder. He never pulled out any gun. He did not have a gun "in his belt." No gun of his was ever visible to anyone. They just gunned him down.

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@layman,

Quote layman:

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He never pulled out any gun. He did not have a gun "in his belt."

A message relayed by ehbeth:

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Kelly House ✔ @Kelly_M_House
Finicum exited vehicle after getting trapped in snowbank, hands up, then reached into pocket where he had a 9mm gun. OSP troopers shot him.

I said he reached into his belt or pocket, (ie lowered his hands to his midsection area), I couldn't see exactly where in the midsection-and neither could you. Then it turned out he had a 9mm in his pocket. Which explains why Finicum reached down into his middle area.

No doubt you'll claim that a weapon has to be visible before the cops can shoot.

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@Blickers,

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No doubt you'll claim that a weapon has to be visible before the cops can shoot.

And, no doubt, since you don't like this guy's politics, you will claim that when cops have rifles pointed straight at you (they have "the drop" on you) they are free to start blasting if they can just claim they felt "threatened."

Your tale would change if this were some left-wing protestor, no doubt. But as it stands, these over-reacting, excessive-force-using pigs are "completely justified" in their murder, for you, at least. You don't like the guy they smoked, so it's just fine, eh?

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...then reached into pocket where he had a 9mm gun. OSP troopers shot him.

That's not accurate, that I can tell. He never put his hand "in his pocket."

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@layman,

When he got close to the cop he dropped his hand to the middle of his body suddenly. You do that when you are taken into custody with a cop's gun on you and he's going to start firing. A gun was found in the man's pocket. He does not have to get his hand on the gun, he just has to drop his hand and start reaching for something to get shot. That's why other people getting arrested in the same situation keep their hands in the air. They want to live.

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@Blickers,

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When he got close to the cop he dropped his hand to the middle of his body suddenly. You do that when you are taken into custody with a cop's gun on you and he's going to start firing.

Quite true. They do it all day, every day. Are you arguing that it's justified, or simply making a descriptive observation?

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@Blickers,

What you say makes a lot of sense, but most of us are naive about that kind of situation.

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@Blickers,

http://able2know.org/topic/307729-64#post-6114888

See that post, and the one following it, for a case in point.

By God, the cop told him to drop the knife when the kid was 30 feet away. Instead of IMMEDIATELY obeying, the kid called him a fuckin pussy.

What ELSE should the kid expect, ya know?

That reminds me. They cut the video before it showed them shooting Lavoy 3 more times after he was down, eh?

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@layman,

After breaking the law for weeks, and broadcasting to America and the world that you are armed and are going to use those arms to defend your position, you get into a car chase with the cops and your car becomes snowbound. Armed cops get out and tell you to come out with your hands up. Even on TV you hear the cops say, "Don't make any sudden moves". Finicum got out, he walked with hands up in the air until he was right near the cop, then inexplicably dropped his hands suddenly down to his midsection. The cops fired. They found that he had a 9mm in his pocket. Try convincing a jury that Finicum's sudden move could possibly be interpreted as anything except reaching for the gun in that pocket. Good luck.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Even on TV you hear the cops say, "Don't make any sudden moves".

Even on TV, eh? On TV, I routinely see "good cops" tellin the bad guy to slowly reach for his gun and drop it to the floor when they already have their guns trained on them.

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then inexplicably dropped his hands suddenly down to his midsection. The cops fired.

"Inexplicably," eh? They startled him. Snuck up behind him with a rifle pointed at his head, causing him to react. Wouldn't surprise me any if the fed taunted him and tried to provoke an involuntary reaction by saying something like "You're dead now, cowboy."

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Try convincing a jury that Finicum's sudden move could possibly be interpreted as anything except reaching for the gun in that pocket.

I see that you continue to avoid the substantive issue by appealing to what you think a jury would decide. When cops kill a 10 year old with a squirt gun, without warning, juries will routinely find that their actions were somehow "justified."

Is thinking it's possible, however improbable, that you might get hurt if you don't immediately kill a guy really sufficient justification for shooting a guy in cold blood, ya figure?

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Not really surprising that these touchy-feely, compassionate "liberals" suddenly take to defending fascist cops when the cops are murdering those they perceive as their enemies, eh? It's the nature of the commie. Just ask Uncle Joe Stalin, for one.

Put a commie on a jury. Have the cop say: "He wasn't attacking me, but I thought he might, so I smoked his sorry ass on the spot." Will that fly with a commie?

It depends. On whether or not they liked the guy who got killed, ya know?

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

The FBI released the video
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/28/1476602/-FBI-release-video-LaVoy-Finicum-s-fatal-confrontation-with-police-to-dispel-rumors?detail=facebook

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=aAGxDWKrjPQ[/youtube]

I like the way they title this the "unedited video" when:

1. Any and all footage of the shooting is missing and we only see the dead body later, and
2. During the time the shooting is occurring, the video they started with is stopped, and footage from another camera (no more revealing) is spliced in. Then it switches back to the original chopper camera, with the dead body in place, eh?

What's up with that?

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@layman,

I believe your main purpose to be on a2k, most threads, is for the express purpose of insisting an object most see as black or white is the full opposite.

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