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I'd thought, it was an Oregon State Trooper who shot Finicum, not a FBI-agent.

And I'd thought that on many other occasions policemen shot earlier - they didn't do it here, when Finicum tried to barrel through.

Once again, Finn, a high quality post. Well done.

agreed

Walter - Maybe it was. I don't know for certain, but it doesn't change my opinion. It would only change by question about SOP in the situation from "FBI" to "Oregon State Troopers"

I had to find a fly in the ointment before I could applause to your response!

Thanks.

I'm prepared to believe this guy when it says it's SOP. It makes sense. We'll see if anyone has a differing position on that.

Quote layman:

Which I still maintain, the shooter from behind appeared to be out of view when Finnicum turned to the cop who was running in from the road.

Quote layman:

Which was my original take, that Finnicum had dropped his arms to confront the cop running in from the road, reached for his sweatshirt pocket containing a 9mm pistol, and probably got shot by that cop coming in from the road when he did. I further felt the video indicated at the time, he turned toward his vehicle because he might have been hit and was trying to withdraw his gun. At that point, the position of his hands near his pocket caused the cop originally behind him to shoot him. If indeed Finnicum had been shot by the cop a few feet in from the road, I don't think he would be worried about the cop behind him, if the cop right in front of him is shooting him. Do you?

As it turned out, new video analyses have emerged which open up a possibility, not a certainty but a possibility, that Finnicum dropped his arms because he was shot on the left side of his body when his arms were still up by a cop who stayed in the road.

As for Victoria Sharp, what are you, her uncle? I didn't know she had family on A2K. Fact is, eyewitnesses have given testimony which fits a certain story which video evidence has overturned. But just to clear the air, if there are any family or close personal friends of Victoria Sharp who have been caused emotional distress by my characterizing her as a liar, which she may or may not be, I hereby apologize. For those who are not family or close personal friends of Victoria Sharp but who are still experiencing emotional distress over this, screw ya.

Ammon Bundy Finally Honored With His Own Doughnut

The Girl was reading this page when she had to hurry to leave the house. I suspect that she intended to post it here, but whether or not she did, i'm going to post it.

LaVoy Finicum Was Not Murdered. He Forced Oregon Police To Shoot Him.

This article if from Bearing Arms-dot-com, and gives a step by step description of Finicum and the law enforcement officers involved. The article was posted by the founder of the Bearing Arms website, a pro-firearms, shooting enthusiast. It would be difficult to see him as an individual biased against those who carry firearms. You can read the "about" page of the website by clicking here.

Damn. Interesting stuff from a surprising source.

I just finished, clearest explaino yet.

And now I know the words are - ready position.

That's the same article I posted this morning....

Yeh, it was yours I had started reading. Anyway, the guy is a pretty clear analyst, far as I can tell.

Thanks for the article. Interesting reading in the comments section.

Oops, sorry.

It deserved to be mentioned twice. I think it was very good.

I was frankly surprised by the gentleman's candor. He may hold opinions with which do not agree, but he's not just peddling propaganda. He obviously gave serious thought to what he wrote.

Yes. It's careful, honest analysis.

I followed your link ...

(this needs a chorus of will the circle be unbroken)

What this guy is saying is reasonable, given his assumptions, but he states a lot of things which he cannot possibly know from the evidence available as indisputable fact.

It seems clear that he is one who strongly argued that the shooting of the Rice kid was completely justified. For some, just about anything the cops do is "justified." Cops and ex-cops, for example.



He is at least aware of the clear possibility that Finny was shot before he ever lowered his hands, but clearly refuses to give it any credence, and mocks it by calling it a "conspiracy theory:"



To the extent that he's allowing that far more evidence is needed than what can be gleaned from this video, I certainly agree with him. But to the extent that he assigns arbitrary assumptions the status of fact in his analysis, it seems clear that he knows, beforehand, exactly where he wants to go. For just one minor example:



He stumbles because he "catches his right toe in the snow," eh? Does anyone really think he can detect that from this airplane footage?