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My husband won't give up porn !!

 
 
mit2727
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 03:52 pm
Oh and schmook, I'm not saying you don't have a right to get upset about whatever makes you upset or expect your husband to make maximum efforts not to hurt you. I'm just saying you may want to consider that the occational slip up is not an attempt to hurt you and doesn't rise to the level of an unforgivable breach of your marriage pact.
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cjhsa
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:02 pm
Where'd Montana go? M, look! I've got beads!!
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shmookiedoo
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:25 pm
mit, I understand you've been dealing with this issue in your own marriage, so this discussion is all good. The more we learn from one another the better we all become.
I enjoy reading your perspective and on an unbiased level I can sympathize with both you and your wife. I stand by my stance that there is no "right" on this issue. It has to be deal with on a marriage by marriage basis. Everyone has an issue that hits a nerve. Unfortunately for everyone posting on this threat, this is one for us.
I do not want to judge you, as I see that you are a thoughtful man. From reading your posts, I think I can safetly gather that this is something you are struggling with and although you've sworn off porn, you are not altogether sure it's something you can stay away from. I don't think you're a bad person for it, or a bad husband. Your wife is dealing with her own weight issues, and that must be a struggle for her. My unsolicited advice would be to be supportive of each other. You're on the same team! I wish you the best of luck.
As for my own marriage, this issue has been put to rest. We've decided to put all our energies (sexual and otherwise) toward each other. You're right, he did not intentionally hurt me. Didn't make the hurt any less painful though.
The one thing that concerned me about your post was you when you said what hurts me the most has nothing to do with my husband. Of course it does. It was not my problem it was our problem. I'm just glad it's behind us.
Again I wish you the best
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mit2727
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:35 pm
That was bad wording. What I meant was, the level of hurt it causes you does not make it any easier for him to deal with the problem, the urge to view porn is just as strong as it would be if it was no big deal to you, or a huge deal to you. Ie. that fact that my wife knows her wieght is a huge deal to me doesn't make it any easier for her to control her diet.
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mit2727
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:38 pm
And not to be ominus, but be prepared to deal with your own porn issue in a constructive, loving, and understandinng manner if it does come up again. Addictions, or even garden variety vices, are usually life long struggles, and there are bound to be setbacks.
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shmookiedoo
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:40 pm
gotcha
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mit2727
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:41 pm
Anyway,

Best of Luck! Don't give in to the naysayers! It sounds like your husband cares about you a lot, so I'm sure no matter what happens in the future, you will work it out. Not to go religous, but "what God has joined, let no one divide" even if he slips up from time to time.
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shmookiedoo
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:49 pm
mit2727 wrote:
That was bad wording. What I meant was, the level of hurt it causes you does not make it any easier for him to deal with the problem, the urge to view porn is just as strong as it would be if it was no big deal to you, or a huge deal to you. Ie. that fact that my wife knows her wieght is a huge deal to me doesn't make it any easier for her to control her diet.



I'm going to disagree with you in part on this one. I guess it would depend on something being an addiction vs hobby(cant think of a better word). An addiction, yes, I totally agree is impossible to give up because it hurts someone. An addiction to anything involves therapy, counselling and whatever else is needs to be done. A hobby, passing interests, etc can absolutely be controlled with another person's well being in mind.
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shmookiedoo
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 04:51 pm
Thxs mit!
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mit2727
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 05:02 pm
Sure, but someone can no doubt be addicted to porn, and the line between addiction and hobby is not absolute (if someone smokes one cigarrette a week, but has trouble quitting, are they addicted?), (also, someone engaged in addictive behavior will very rarely admit is, so your husband telling you its "just a hobby" may not be the whole story). So be sure not to marginalize someone's compulsions until you are absolutly certain what you are dealing with.
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shmookiedoo
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 05:09 pm
You seem really suspicious of my husband : )
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mit2727
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 05:24 pm
He he. I'm just trying to help to guy out if he ever backslides and gets caught. He should thank me!
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shmookiedoo
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2005 05:27 pm
Very Happy
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 08:51 pm
Montana wrote:
rodbogey wrote:


If you don't like it or don't stand it, that's ok for you. No problem. Go on.



That's very easy for many to say, but it truly sucks when you're single and can't find a man who doesn't like to indulge in watching porn. I know I will never ever be involved with another man that does because I have far too much respect for myself to allow myself to simply be one of many woman my man gets off on. Screw that! I've lived with it and I prefer being alone the rest of my life than to live with a man who isn't satisfied with me.

It's really very sad Crying or Very sad


It's really weird to read that coming from you Montana, 'cause in the thread about the stalker chauvinist guy you wrote:

Montana wrote:
Ron
Your attitude may be acceptable in your country, but you're not in your country, are you?
If you want to live by the rules of your country, then go back to your country because you will go nowhere fast with those ways in the country you're in.
No one here is insulting your culture, but we are not going to your country trying to tell people how to live either.
We don't share your beliefs in our countries and we don't appreciate anyone pushing their culture on us.
It's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of respect. We don't tell you how to live in your country, and we don't appreciate being told how to live in ours.
Since you are no longer in your country, you'll have to learn to live by the cultures of the country you are in or you will be terribly lonely.


I know we're, apparently, speaking of different situations but isn't very similar what I pointed out regarding what women shoud do if they don't like porn than what you're reccomending to this guy regarding going to another country if he doesn't like how women behave here in USA? What I was saying as far as porn is concern is that people can't change what others like or dislike. It's fine for them if some women don't like porn, but they shoudn't condemn it as the something sick just because they don't like it. If someone can't handle the other's likes, then let him/her go, but don't come in saying that he/she is sick or a goddamn adict, etc. Same goes for you Montana, if you think you can't find a man who doesn't like porn, then you should either go somewhere else or stay alone -as you're suggesting- and not try to change others or try to make true statements from your personal opinions about porn, such as the chauvinist guy shoud do if he doesn't like how women behave in USA. I really think that what poeple shoud do, no matter which thoughts they follow, is to be consequent with them and not apply some kind of judge to a particular issue they don't agree on, and then apply the exact opposite kind of judge to something they agree on. So basically Montana, if our culture is becoming more open minded about the porn issue as something natural and maybe even helpful for relationships, then your choices would be, in your own words, "to learn to live by the cultures of the country you are in or you will be terribly lonely"
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:11 pm
Montana wrote:
Brooke
I have to disagree that it would be controlling to expect your lover not to watch porn.
I consider it cheating and just because some others don't agree, doesn't make them right.


I have a sentence for you Montana: Just because you consider it cheating doesn't make it cheating for everybody
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:18 pm
Montana wrote:
It's the women who defend the porn watching that make it impossible for those of us that are sickened by it!


So what are you planning to do? Ban from the forum she who defends porn just because she happens to like it? Maybe I got some better suggestion you coud implement: why don't you buid a gas chamber for all women who defend porn? You can start your own pornocaust.
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:31 pm
Montana wrote:
Brooke
In my eyes, men who watch porn are cheating.

Anyway, I really should stay away from these threads for the simple fact that they send me through the roof.


Why? because you can't stand people differ from your thoughts? Is that what they call intolerance?
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:36 pm
Montana wrote:
I won't be answering that question or any others. I'm sick of being treated like a f***ing freak for being normal.


So please, tell us what is normal? I'm curious, 'cause the more I read Foucault, the more I doubt of that ideological concept
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shmookiedoo
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:44 pm
mit2727 wrote:
He he. I'm just trying to help to guy out if he ever backslides and gets caught. He should thank me!


He won't be backsliding. But thxs anyway!
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ossobuco
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:54 pm
Ay yi yi.

I happen to know and like Montana and differ with her on this issue. I've been going to come back and do some sort of review of my opinions just to add some sturm for the drang going on here on this Topic.

Which I'll do, or at least cut and paste some of my previous statements. Or find one of Nimh's, who made a great deal of sense early in some past thread.

However, even though I get your point, Rod, I don't think a poster telling the fellow who has pretty stultified views on women to go back to his country, or you telling Montana to prepare to live alone are useful comments for colloquy, though I see the real emotions behind both comments.

Every thread on this topic on a2k breeds more and more, because of the nature of the internet workings, and there is much repetition as each person elaborates their view at that moment in time. People have modified their views here, in quiet discussion, or configured their points of view in less emotional and more thought out ways. Some have agreed to disagree while benefitting from the exchange.

It's tempting to go back and catalog some of the best posts on different points of view, but I don't have time.
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