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My husband won't give up porn !!

 
 
Montana
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:08 pm
Rod
I never called anyone sick or a goddamn addict, so don't go putting F***ing words in my mouth!!!!! I said I was sickened by it and I also said that I had no problem with people who enjoy it as long as THEY ARE NOT HURTING OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Montana
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:10 pm
And another thing, I was born and raised in the US and porn was not a huge thing when I was growing up and neither was divorce!
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:20 pm
Montana wrote:
Beth
Thanks ;-)


Mit, Mit, Mit, you can't seriously compare porn to a diet, or even smoking. I view porn as cheating and that doesn't come close to being in the same ballpark.

Did you read Dr. Phil's views on this issue? If not, go read it and his words are saying what I've been saying all along. Are you going to tell me now that a doctor is wrong? If so, I think I'll listen to the doc.
I know that my views are not wrong and Dr' Phil agrees, so that's the most important thing.
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Then why don't you listen to so many sexologists pointing out porn as something couples can live with and even enjoy? You seem to be taking for the truth only what accomodates your beliefs. They have a word for that: narrow mind, plain and simple.
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:22 pm
Montana wrote:
mit2727 wrote:
I could view cheating on a diet as infidelity too, but that would be my own quirky belief, and certainly not my wife's issue. Raising this to the level of infedelity, in my opinon, is a destructive thing to do. If your man is attraceted to some women he sees on the street, is that infedelity? Infedelity seems like an awful thing to accuse a spouse of who hasn't actually touched another woman. I think that holding a spouse to such a high standard is a bit unfair, especially if he is making efforts to comport with your moral code.


When you have an orgasm when looking at a naked woman other than your wife, it's cheating and I don't give a **** what anyone says. Dr'Phil said it too!!!


So basically Dr. Phil is god for you. Sorry Montana but there are many different opinions from people that have studied this matter deeply and in a more scientific way than Dr. Phil's wheter you like it or not!
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ossobuco
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:25 pm
I do have to say, to perhaps some future verbal battery here, that I feel people in this thread on the side of porn-often-ok have been greatly careful of other poster's feelings, way back in the early pages, including me in my last post.

I am not so sure it is right to close down comments so that one or the other poster won't be so offended as to leave.
I am trying to boost efforts to make comments to the subject and not the person.
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:43 pm
Montana wrote:
Rod
I never called anyone sick or a goddamn addict, so don't go putting F***ing words in my mouth!!!!! I said I was sickened by it and I also said that I had no problem with people who enjoy it as long as THEY ARE NOT HURTING OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The first sign of intolerance is when people become violent, even with their words.

You said you were "normal" because you did not like porn, right? So what's the opposite? "abnormal", isn't it? I used a synonim for what you've been pointing out. I'm sorry if I used "goddamn addict", which you did not say, but for the comments you've posted we all can read that you consider porn as a sick habit, that's why you agree with the statements coming from Dr. Phil's text.

Finally, I'll come back where I started. If you don't like it, fine, go on and leave everybody else alone with their likes or dislikes about porn. And please, don't try to think your thoughts are truth or normal just because they're yours. What I think is that you shoud read more about sexuality and the evolution of sexual behaviors and not take something for granted just because some Dr. Phil says it. Please, read what other scientists have said about porn and then come back and post.
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rodbogey
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:52 pm
ossobuco wrote:
I do have to say, to perhaps some future verbal battery here, that I feel people in this thread on the side of porn-often-ok have been greatly careful of other poster's feelings, way back in the early pages, including me in my last post.

I am not so sure it is right to close down comments so that one or the other poster won't be so offended as to leave.
I am trying to boost efforts to make comments to the subject and not the person.


Oops! Sorry ossobuco but the discussion rolls on when people attends to what others have said and that's why I close down comments so I can dialog directly with the others and so the ones that have not read the whole 20 something pages on this thread can contextualize better their reading.

Sorry if you don't like it but i see this as a dialog and I really have to take others opinion under consideration so I can textualize mines, therefore I need to quote
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JPB
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 10:53 pm
I agree with osso. This isn't about Montana, it's about a topic. So, to get us back on topic.... something's been bothering me all day.

mit2727 wrote:
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In fact, I have no need to masterbate when I'm in a relationship.


Well, then your in the upper 1% on the sexual purity scale. But I don't think that's a fair standard to hold anyone else to.


and Mit2727 also stated
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Does it have to be such a big deal given that 90% of all men look at it from time to time?


Mit, I've tried to find sources for these numbers and I just can't do it. Do you have references for these percentages, or are you just spouting bullshit? I'm perfectly willing to review the sources you have (I'm a statistician, so I always want to see the data), I really haven't been able to find them. Thanks!
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fnkymnky
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:22 pm
now heres my turn
well I have read over and over these posts and now I'm here for some advice.

I watch everyone go back and forth and have watched people actually get mad at each other over this topic. This is a serious subject and I never thought I would find myself in the middle, but I have, I thought I would always be the helper, not the one in need of the help. Here I am, begging for help.

I am currently 20 years old and with what I thought was the love of my life. We have been together since my freshman year in highschool and have done our fair share of cheating and mischeif. When we got married he was fresh in the Navy and I freshly dropped out of highschool to be with him. I now have his 1yr old son and we are married.

I love him and don't know what I would do without him. I have tried every position in the book for him, taken hundreds of pictures for him, videos. He was addicted to porn before we got married but I was ok with that because we were only dating and he was in boot camp and gone alot. Now we have been together for 2 years alone, with one 6 month period of him being gone. I know im not the prettiest page in the book and all, but I am definately better that what he could've had. I'm angry today because for the second time in our marriage I have caught him in the act. When I was 8 months pregnant I found porn on his personal laptop on accident, now I'm not pregnant and not to ugly and yet again after all the hiding he did, boom! a credit card charge he and I cant explain shows up. I finally fight it out of him and he admits to it. He knows it hurt me because of what happened before (months of depression). Now he does it again and tells me again, "I'll never do it again". He tells me he does it because I was raised on it. Am I not enough? Do I not do enough? Am I ugly? Is sex once a day not enough? Is my marraige over? I feel like it is if he knows what effect it has on me and no change.
Crying or Very sad

He wont do counseling, I haven't asked but he hates the thought. He constantly tells me every husband does it. The guys that influence him in his work are horrible, they even told him he was too young to be married and to leave me, with nothing! All his friends are single and have never been married and when I try to tell him thats not ok, he lashes out at me.

I pray and pray, but I feel as though this is something god is hanging me out to dry on because I married a non-cristian. I don't want to leave but I don't want to live a fake life either.

Oh and by the way, I'm cristian, he's not.... So he doesnt beleive in the morals I DO
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ossobuco
 
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Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:42 pm
Rod, I am not talking at all about you not quoting, I am talking about those of us not offended by porn in general being shut down (in effect if not by anyone's rules) in a topic so that one person would not leave in anger or angst.

There has been a lot of courtesy in this thread and I'd like to see it continue on the topic.
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shmookiedoo
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 07:28 am
fnkymnky, my heart goes out to you sweetie. First, you need to stop blaming yourself. You are a smart, beautiful woman. Your husband's insensitivity is the problem, not you. Never let anyone tell you how you should feel. Yes, you are pretty enough, you do enough and sex once a day is enough. He married you, you are the woman of his dreams, and the mother of his child! Now he needs to starting giving you the respect you deserve.
You've stated that you had no problem with his porn before you were married. I think you may have, but just did not think it was your place to say so. Now that you are married, and have a child together, you want it to stop, and you have every right. You've obviously discussed this with him. He refuses counselling, thinks it's normal, and has his friends backing him up. This is really tough. He has told you that he will stop, so that is a sign that he's at least willing to try. He's telling you he was raised on it and that all husbands do it, these sound like excuses to cover up the fact that he's having a hard time quitting. He's also surrounded by all single friends who don't have the luxury of a living breathing female. He does, and should feel lucky for it.
You need to have a heart to heart with your man and let him know how much this hurts you. Hold his hand while you talk and try not to get too emotional. Some men are clueless about how this can affect their women. I'm sure he doesn't mean to hurt you. He needs to know this is not about you trying to control him. Let him know that you need to be the only (naked) woman in his life and he'll reap all the benefits of that :wink:
What man doesn't want his wife to be happy and feel good about herself?
Remember, don't beat yourself up because he looks at porn. Those pics got nothin on you! Chin up baby!
Hope that helped (((((Hugs)))))
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shmookiedoo
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 07:47 am
Also, you mentioned that you dropped out of school to be with your husband. I know that you have a baby to look after, but I would suggest that you get back out there and finish your education at the first available moment. If, (worse case scenario), your marriage does not improve, you need the tools to be self sufficient. You're young yet and it's not good to be dependant and powerless.
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Bella Dea
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 08:09 am
rodbogey wrote:

Sorry if you don't like it but i see this as a dialog and I really have to take others opinion under consideration so I can textualize mines, therefore I need to quote


Your reponse to Osso says it all.... Do you believe that this is dialog?
Montana may have strong opinions and ones that don't agree with what you believe but honestly, do you believe adults discuss their differences like that?

I am not trying to put you down in any way, so don't go off on me. But I also don't want you to believe that you are not being hurtful. Expressing your vastly different opinion can be done without brutalizing someone else.

Osso is trying to tell you in a kind and considerate way: Be nice! We want to hear your opinion but not at the expense of someone elses opinion. We all come here with different experiences and different ideas. Perhaps you haven't been around long enough to know how strongly Montana feels about this.

Either way, personal attacks will not be tolerated by A2K and many of it's members will call you out on it. So try and be more considerate and express your opinions in a way that is constructive, not destructive. Smile
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Montana
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 10:48 am
rodbogey wrote:
Montana wrote:
Rod
I never called anyone sick or a goddamn addict, so don't go putting F***ing words in my mouth!!!!! I said I was sickened by it and I also said that I had no problem with people who enjoy it as long as THEY ARE NOT HURTING OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The first sign of intolerance is when people become violent, even with their words.

You said you were "normal" because you did not like porn, right? So what's the opposite? "abnormal", isn't it? I used a synonim for what you've been pointing out. I'm sorry if I used "goddamn addict", which you did not say, but for the comments you've posted we all can read that you consider porn as a sick habit, that's why you agree with the statements coming from Dr. Phil's text.

Finally, I'll come back where I started. If you don't like it, fine, go on and leave everybody else alone with their likes or dislikes about porn. And please, don't try to think your thoughts are truth or normal just because they're yours. What I think is that you shoud read more about sexuality and the evolution of sexual behaviors and not take something for granted just because some Dr. Phil says it. Please, read what other scientists have said about porn and then come back and post.


LOL!! If you see me as violent, you obviously know nothing at all about me and just reading the things you have to say about me is proof of that.
I do feel strongly about this subject, but I did not come in here to judge.
I said porn sickens me, but I did not say or do I think that people who like it are sick. I also didn't say or do I feel they are not normal. I simply said that I didn't like being treat like a freak because I'm normal and that did not mean that you or anyone who feels the way that you do isn't normal. I was upset because I was treated like I wasn't normal and still am.
I respect the opinions of everyone here, except for those who think someone who is hurt by it "should get over it" and "learn to live with it.
If you had paid attention to my responses here and on other threads, you'd know where I actually stand here, but you continue to make you own definitions for what I'm saying.
Stop trying to read between the lines because what I say is what I mean and nothing more.
The only reasons I come into these threads is to show my support to women who are suffering. I want them to know that they are not alone in how they feel and that there's nothing wrong with them because they feel this way, but I end up getting heated because some people come along to challenge our feelings and tell us that we are making a big deal out of nothing and that we should get over it. That's an insult to us and shows absolutely no regard for our very hurt feelings.
I stated in one of my previous posts that I was not a big fan of Dr. Phil, so there you go again, assuming! I liked what he had to say and that's it.
I don't need to read about sexuality or about evolution of sexual behaviors, thank you very much. The way myself and many many women out there feel about it isn't going to change no matter what we read. We feel cheated on when our men watch porn and it would be like telling you to get use to it or over it if your loved one went out and slept with another man.
I wish I felt the way many women do here who don't mind or enjoy it themselves. In fact, I envy them, but I don't and can't feel that way and it would break me down to tollerate it in my love life, as it has in the past.
What's fine for you may not be fine for someone else and it's not a question of who's right or wrong.
Knowing the pain it causes me and many other women, I do think it's selfish of our men to continue watching porn with no regard for how it makes us feel and I completely feel that their priorities are out of place. I know I don't want to spend one second with a man who thinks porm is more important than I am.

Anyway, I did a lot of thinking last night and I'm going to try my damndest not to get upset about these things anymore. I will continue to show my support to women to are in pain because helping people is important to me. I just wish we could support eachother without some invalidating our feelings by telling us to get over it.
These women are here looking for support and that's what they should get!
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Montana
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:00 am
rodbogey wrote:
Montana wrote:
Beth
Thanks ;-)


Mit, Mit, Mit, you can't seriously compare porn to a diet, or even smoking. I view porn as cheating and that doesn't come close to being in the same ballpark.

Did you read Dr. Phil's views on this issue? If not, go read it and his words are saying what I've been saying all along. Are you going to tell me now that a doctor is wrong? If so, I think I'll listen to the doc.
I know that my views are not wrong and Dr' Phil agrees, so that's the most important thing.
.


Then why don't you listen to so many sexologists pointing out porn as something couples can live with and even enjoy? You seem to be taking for the truth only what accomodates your beliefs. They have a word for that: narrow mind, plain and simple.


Sexologists can point out whatever they want, but they cannot tell anyone they can live with it or enjoy it if it goes completely against a persons grain.
I am far from narrow minded and if you knew me, you'd know that! You, on the other hand are very narrow minded. You're up there with some of the others who actually think I should see a shrink about my "problem"! Rolling Eyes
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Montana
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:06 am
fnkymnky
There's nothing I can say that I already haven't said to others, but know that you're not alone and my heart truly goes out to you.

(((Hugs)))

Welcome to A2K.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:09 am
M, I thought you were taking a break. Just can't stay away from the porn threads, eh? Laughing

I brought beads!!!
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Montana
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:11 am
Bella Dea

Thank you! I know we don't agree on this subject and I appreciate your understanding of my feelings.

((((Hugs))))
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Bella Dea
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:14 am
Can't help it Montana...you just too damn lovable to hate. :wink: Very Happy

((((hugs)))) right back at cha!
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Eva
 
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Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:16 am
THERE you are, Montana!

Will you please cut this out? It's going nowhere, and you're better than this. Life is too short to argue with rodbogey over someone else's problem.

Let's sum it up and move on. Some like porn, some don't. Last time I checked, Canada and the U.S. were both free countries, so everyone can do whatever they want. If they're having a problem with it in a relationship, it's up to the two people to work it out between themselves.

Now, please chill out, Sweet M. Come on over to the Wine Cellar thread. I'll buy you a drink and a pastry in Paris.

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