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The Case For Biden

 
 
Brand X
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 06:24 am
@snood,
Then CNBC uses pics like this of Warren.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58460886_10157683831324369_5542518264556421120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQlC2Cdd9GKf_7VgLpKaINLkl4kNyVJQlT_MJHN4GE8HKlavEpc3_MWR1J6Ac9VSd64&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=341047f8d1229fa3e6fa18c619b20440&oe=5D3A0C40
Olivier5
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 07:23 am
@Brand X,
She looks full of energy in that pic. Beautiful, too.

At this point in time, anyone who's not furious is profiting from the system, or hopes to.
revelette1
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 07:48 am
I just wish there wasn't so many in the field, it is hard to for anyone other than Sanders and Biden to get enough traction in the field. Not sure why two old white guys get the most voters confidence in beating Trump.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 07:57 am
@revelette1,
From afar, it seems Warren is shaping up nicely as a contender to be reckoned with.
revelette1
 
  1  
Tue 23 Apr, 2019 08:01 am
@Olivier5,
I agree she would make a great President (at least domestically, I would have to look up her issues to see how she feels on foreign issues). Just not sure she will get the nomination. Perhaps in the end, Biden or Sanders could pick Warren or one of the other popular contenders (good word for this)as VP.

Usually I have a stake, already picked out who I want so to speak. So far, I don't have anyone picked out. I would be satisfied with whoever got it this time.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 08:14 am
@revelette1,
I'm hoping for a Sanders-Warren ticket. As for Biden, he'll need to be a candidate before I start paying attention to what he wants to do.
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engineer
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 08:48 am
@Olivier5,
Honestly, I was thinking the opposite. She has nearly 100% name recognition which is critical at this stage and is on good financial ground, but she's not getting a lot of press and she seems stagnant in the polls. The person the press is enamored of is "Mayor Pete". Biden is also getting a lot of press. His drawing out of his announcement has been an effective press grabbing move. I can't see a Sanders-Warren ticket because I think this they have the same strengths and weaknesses. If Sanders gets the nomination, I think he needs to get someone who balances him out. Same with Biden.
engineer
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 09:25 am
Interesting article from fivethirtyeight.com. They have been asking Democratic activists who they like and who they absolutely don't like. I highlighted the parts I thought were interesting.

Quote:
And while the top tier of candidates looks similar to how it looked in February, there’s a notable new addition — South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg. He has nearly doubled his support among the activists I interviewed — 17 percent of respondents (six people) were thinking about him two months ago, but now 29 percent (10 people) have him on their list of candidates they’re considering. This is evidence that the national boomlet for the mayor may be more than a media phenomenon — at least some influential activists who come in close contact with the candidates themselves are taking him seriously.

The activists I’ve been speaking to seem to have different candidate preferences than Democratic voters more broadly, at least according to recent polling results. The activists, for example, rank Biden and Sanders as middle-tier candidates, with only around a quarter of those I interviewed considering them, whereas wider polls have those candidates leading the field. Conversely, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who is not getting overwhelming support in recent polls, is among the top three candidate choices among the activists I’ve interviewed. These differences show how these party activists — a small, self-selected group, but one that is influential in determining who makes it to these nominating contests — diverge in their preferences from primary voters as a whole. We won’t know for some time whether activists’ power over the election process is enough to sway voters toward activists’ preferred candidates.

As I mentioned earlier, I also asked respondents one new question in April’s survey: Which candidates did they not want to see become the nominee?5 Perhaps unsurprisingly, given her many controversial stances, like her defense of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and her past social conservatism on issues like abortion and same-sex marriage, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is at the top of the list. But Sanders was a close second, with half of respondents saying they do not want to see him become the nominee. Remember, Sanders also has one of the largest numbers of committed supporters, so his candidacy looks to be pretty factional within the party, suggesting that his potential for growth may be limited.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/masket-EARLY-STATE-ACTIVISTS-0417-2-1.png?w=575
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snood
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 10:27 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

She looks full of energy in that pic. Beautiful, too.

At this point in time, anyone who's not furious is profiting from the system, or hopes to.

But won’t they risk coming off as angry people?
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 01:05 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
she's not getting a lot of press and she seems stagnant in the polls. The person the press is enamored of is "Mayor Pete". Biden is also getting a lot of press.

Again, my informations are from far away, with all the distortions implied by that.

A certain US press is rooting for moderates, as you would expect. Mayor Pete is Obama's favored candidate, I hear. Biden is the "democratic establishment" candidate, sort of.
snood
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:20 pm
@Olivier5,
Would you be so good as to share where you “heard” Obama favors Mayor Pete?
snood
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2019 05:22 pm
@Brand X,
I actually don’t find that an unflattering picture of Warren.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 12:03 am
@snood,
Don't remember.
Lash
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 12:20 am
@Olivier5,
Maybe something like this.
Three or four paragraphs down...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/pete-buttigieg-2020-democratic-nomination/amp/
Lash
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 12:23 am
@snood,
https://www-mcclatchy--wires-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/www.mcclatchy-wires.com/incoming/yiv47b/picture219137745/alternates/LANDSCAPE_960/Supreme_Court_Kavanaugh_59176.jpg
Yeah. This was popular, too.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 12:36 am
@Lash,
No, that wasn't it. I never read fivethirtyeight. Nate Silver has no intellectual rigor in my opinion. He confuses his desires with reality. To a degree we all do, but a polster should know better than flout his biases.
Lash
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 12:50 am
@Olivier5,
I had remembered hearing something about Obama meeting with Buttigieg, and coming away from the article with the opinion he might have considered Buttigieg’s run favorably, so I googled it—and the 538 piece is where it led.

I have the same low opinion of Nate Silver.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:17 am
What I read was along these lines:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/buttigieg-in-chicago-for-fundraisers-gains-support-from-major-obama-donors/amp/

https://www.newsweek.com/pete-buttigieg-2020-barack-obama-1397174?amp=1

oralloy
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:19 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Nate Silver has no intellectual rigor in my opinion. He confuses his desires with reality.

How does he confuse his desires with reality?
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snood
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:52 am
@Lash,
That article says Obama name-dropped mayor Pete as a “potential leading light” in the party. He’s done the same or more for a half dozen others. Certainly doesn’t mean Obama ”favors” him. As a matter of fact, Obama is always circumspect about expressing public favor for one Democratic candidate over the others. The reason I asked where Olivier heard it is because Obama saying or even intimating something like that doesn’t at all ring true. Somehow it figures you’d try to support the notion.

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