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The Case For Biden

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 20 Apr, 2019 02:20 pm
@snood,
Quote:
All somehow just not likable in ways that men candidates just don’t seem to have to measure up to.


Standard pap.

Do you recall when the "cow's" father ran and how his personality was defamed?

Whatever Dem runs for President in 2020, a huge part of their campaign will center on Trump's personality.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 20 Apr, 2019 02:23 pm
@McGentrix,
How anyone can argue "cow" is not derogatory and not feminine in specificity
is beyond me, but so what? "Traitor" is pretty rough but it's been used to describe our president.

Suddenly this forum is a safe place?

Very Happy
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 20 Apr, 2019 02:54 pm
@maporsche,
She's also an unrepentant warhawk. I don't support war at the drop of a hat.
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 20 Apr, 2019 03:02 pm
h All about Meghan:

She joined Chelsea Clinton in attacking Ilhan Omar as an antiSemite for nothing more than criticizing Israel's strong lobbying arm AIPAC. Criticizing Israel while brown is automatic antiSemitism in Meghan and Clinton's circles.

Excerpt:
https://www.newsweek.com/ilhan-omar-meghan-mccain-israel-anti-semitism-john-mccain-racism-1356119

Though Omar later issued a statement on Twitter noting that anti-Semitism is a real problem and suggesting she never meant to offend any Jewish people, she reaffirmed the “problematic” role of lobbyists in U.S. politics, including AIPAC.

The congresswoman later added more fuel to the fire when she accused American lawmakers of pledging “allegiance to a foreign country” by unquestionably supporting Israel, regardless of its conduct.

On Thursday, McCain became emotional as she said several of her Jewish friends felt hurt by Omar’s comments. “It is very dangerous, very dangerous,” she said, “and I think we all collectively as Americans on both sides—and what Ilhan Omar is saying is very scary to me and a lot of people and I don’t think you have to be Jewish to recognize that.”

In response, Omar retweeted a post made by Medhi Hasan, an Intercept columnist and Al Jazeera host, who slammed McCain’s “faux outrage” and criticized the politics and racist comments of her late father.

“Meghan’s late father literally sang ‘bomb bomb bomb Iran’ and insisted on referring to his Vietnamese captors as ‘gooks',” Hasan wrote. “He also, lest we forget, gave the world Sarah Palin. So a little less faux outrage over a former-refugee-turned-freshman-representative pls.”

The retweet came just hours after the House approved an anti-hate resolution inspired by Omar’s remarks. The vote prompted backlash from younger and more progressive Democrats and a debate over the language used in the resolution.

Though Republicans and many establishment Democrats have been quick to distance themselves from Omar’s comments, others have rallied around her. On Thursday, for example, 2020 presidential candidate and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders said he fears attacks on Omar are designed to stifle debate on America’s relationship with Israel.

The senator, who himself is Jewish, told The Hill, “Anti-Semitism is a hateful and dangerous ideology which must be vigorously opposed in the United States and around the world.” But he added, “We must not, however, equate anti-Semitism with legitimate criticism of the right-wing, Netanyahu government in Israel.”
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 20 Apr, 2019 03:41 pm
@snood,
"How conveniently"? I think I've disagreed once or twice in as many years with the way someone framed something here. "metoo" had everyone giving opinions.
"allowing for no such adaptability"? You must be thinking of someone else.

But by all means, keep talking about me.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 20 Apr, 2019 11:10 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Meghan McCain wrote:
I love God, America and the 2nd Amendment. I just also happen to love and support the LGBT community.

https://twitter.com/MeghanMcCain/status/414191710160183297

It's always good to see people voice support for civil liberties.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 20 Apr, 2019 11:13 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
She's also an unrepentant warhawk. I don't support war at the drop of a hat.

Few people support war at the drop of a hat. I certainly wouldn't idly support anything that would put American troops at risk*. But we do need to have strong defenses ready to go just in case we need them.

* Once we get fleets of unmanned bombers in a few years, I'll have no problem with sending them on routine missions to pummel third-world hellholes however.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 20 Apr, 2019 11:18 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
She joined Chelsea Clinton in attacking Ilhan Omar as an antiSemite for nothing more than criticizing Israel's strong lobbying arm AIPAC. Criticizing Israel while brown is automatic antiSemitism in Meghan and Clinton's circles.

Skin color has nothing to do with it. These neonazis are trying to disguise their antisemitism by directing their hateful untrue accusations of imaginary atrocities "at Israel" instead of "at Jews".

No one is fooled.


Lash wrote:
In response, Omar retweeted a post made by Medhi Hasan, an Intercept columnist and Al Jazeera host, who slammed McCain's "faux outrage" and criticized the politics and racist comments of her late father.

"Meghan's late father literally sang 'bomb bomb bomb Iran' and insisted on referring to his Vietnamese captors as 'gooks'," Hasan wrote. "He also, lest we forget, gave the world Sarah Palin. So a little less faux outrage over a former-refugee-turned-freshman-representative pls."

It's hard to believe that the left is so evil that I actually have to side with John McCain here.

Iran deserves to be bombed. There was nothing wrong with McCain singing this.

Sara Palin is much preferable to a despicable neonazi like this Omar thug.


Lash wrote:
Though Republicans and many establishment Democrats have been quick to distance themselves from Omar's comments, others have rallied around her. On Thursday, for example, 2020 presidential candidate and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders said he fears attacks on Omar are designed to stifle debate on America's relationship with Israel.

The senator, who himself is Jewish, told The Hill, "Anti-Semitism is a hateful and dangerous ideology which must be vigorously opposed in the United States and around the world." But he added, "We must not, however, equate anti-Semitism with legitimate criticism of the right-wing, Netanyahu government in Israel."

There is nothing legitimate about that neonazi Sanders' horrible false accusations against Israel.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Sun 21 Apr, 2019 07:23 am
First off, I agreed with Meagan McCain on Syria. Not everything the woman has ever thought or said. Second, didn't mean to start a mountain out of a mole hill.

Moving on, Biden expects to announce this week, I think someone already said that but not sure. I am also unsure if I support him or anyone else. Not really enthused with anyone with anyone yet; keep hoping a rising political figure will emerge... I just know I don't want Trump/Pence but more importantly I hope the democrats take the Senate and add more in the House.
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Lash
 
  2  
Sun 21 Apr, 2019 07:51 am
I think Biden’s best day will be when he announces.
I think you won’t see much polling movement in the pack, Bernie stays up, then the Dem machine will make their pick (probably Harris) and we will see the most vile attacks ever against Bernie. The media-owning oligarchs will have their people lying about Bernie, “contacts with communist Russia”, blurring the lines of Democratic Socialism with Russian Communism...”

All in an effort to keep the poor poor and dying and the rich in this country completely unaccountable for whatever crimes they commit.

Nate Silver has already shown his anti-Bernie stripes. Pollsters will lie, as they have in the past.

The multimillionaires and billionaires in America like their money. They and their elected footsoldiers have created a billionaires’ paradise in this country.

They will throw all their resources toward keeping it.

Our law enforcement looks like an army precisely because of what will happen if they cheat us again. Tanks and people in the street.

Please think carefully about what you see and read and how you vote.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sun 21 Apr, 2019 05:15 pm
@Lash,
You called her a "cow."

Own it
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hightor
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 02:42 am
@Lash,
Quote:
The media-owning oligarchs will have their people lying about Bernie, “contacts with communist Russia”, blurring the lines of Democratic Socialism with Russian Communism...”

I'm sure Mr. Sanders and his staff are aware of this and have responses ready for this sort of attack. It shouldn't prove that difficult to counter. And if he's unable to defend his positions, people will vote for someone else.
Quote:
All in an effort to keep the poor poor and dying and the rich in this country completely unaccountable for whatever crimes they commit.

There are different ways of attacking this problem. I'm not sure that enough of the electorate see things this way for them to embrace an ideology which presents them as victims of an evil, corrupt system and promises a wide scale upending of the current political order. There's only a certain percentage of people angry enough to march on the Bastille. When given a choice between upheaval and continuance of the status quo most will choose the latter.
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Tanks and people in the street.

I rather doubt that.
Lash
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 04:50 am
@hightor,
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I'm not sure that enough of the electorate see things this way for them to embrace an ideology which presents them as victims of an evil, corrupt system and promises a wide scale upending of the current political order.


This planet and 99% of its inhabitants are victims of an evil, corrupt system. Ukraine just elected a comedian with no experience; the US elected a buffoon political outsider in a resounding rejection of the establishment; England voted to leave the EU... The public is pushing back against the totalitarian-creep that neoliberalism has led us to. I don’t think even the slipperiest, most disingenuous person can deny the left lurch happening across the world.

The public *is* upending the status quo.







Brand X
 
  1  
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 05:01 am
@Lash,
Mayor Pete is on board with that sentiment.


'The 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Indiana was speaking at a campaign stop in New Hampshire on Friday when he drew a parallel between followers of the diametrically opposed politicians, according to The Washington Examiner.

“I think the sense of anger and disaffection that comes from seeing that the numbers are fine, like unemployment’s low, like all that, like you said GDP is growing and yet a lot of neighborhoods and families are living like this recovery never even happened. They’re stuck,” Buttigieg told high school students in in Nashua, N.H.

“It just kind of turns you against the system in general and then you’re more likely to want to vote to blow up the system, which could lead you to somebody like Bernie and it could lead you to somebody like Trump. That’s how we got where we are.”

Buttigieg also tried to draw a distinction between himself and the 77-year-old Democratic socialist from Vermont.

“Part of running for president is you wind up competing with people that you like or appreciated or admired many years back,” he said about Sanders. “I don’t have the same views on everything that he does.”'

https://nypost.com/2019/04/21/pete-buttigieg-compares-bernie-supporters-and-trump-fans/
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hightor
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 05:16 am
@Lash,
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This planet and 99% of its inhabitants are victims of an evil, corrupt system.

Yeah, tell me about it. And if you think it's bad for people, it's a lot worse for wildlife and the natural systems which support it..
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Ukraine just elected a comedian with no experience

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of democratic wisdom.
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I don’t think even the slipperiest, most disingenuous person can deny the left lurch happening across the world.

Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Egypt, Turkey — I know you already consider me one of the slipperiest, most disingenuous people on this site but I don't see the left lurch you're talking about. I see a lot of hooliganism, a lot of nationalism, and a lot of rightist populism. There are modest gains here and there but I don't see a worldwide clamor for leftist policies. What usually happens is that the left over-promises, the people don't get what they were expecting, and in the next cycle they return the right to power.
engineer
 
  5  
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 06:34 am
@hightor,
I agree, it looks like we are seeing a rise in totalitarianism around the world, seemingly supported by the administration in the US. It used to be that despite its actions, the US was part of the liberal bulwark around the world resisting dictatorships and supporting democracy. The reversal of this stance is an encouragement to dictators everywhere.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  2  
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 11:08 am
@engineer,
Like Maduro, Assad, the Iranians, and the Taliban?
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nimh
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 11:50 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Egypt, Turkey — I know you already consider me one of the slipperiest, most disingenuous people on this site but I don't see the left lurch you're talking about.

Yeah, if only. I could see talk of a left lurch when there was a "Pink Tide" in Latin-America. Or when Syriza and Podemos were riding high in Greece and Spain. But right now there seems less sign of a leftward lurch than in a long time, and it's ******* depressing.

Lash cites how "Ukraine just elected a comedian with no experience; the US elected a buffoon political outsider in a resounding rejection of the establishment; England voted to leave the EU...", but the latter two cases were signs of a rightward lurch, not a left one, and nobody seems to really know where Zelenskiy stands on a left-right axis.

There's definitely been a wave of anti-establishment successes, but they've gone in a national-conservative-xenophobic direction far more often than in a left-populist one. In Europe, for example, the only country left right now that offers good news for the left is Portugal ... Spain, Finland and Britain provide mixed news and most of the rest of the continent is depressing. Portugal is a success because the far left and the mainstream center-left worked together, maybe there's a pointer there.
Lash
 
  1  
Mon 22 Apr, 2019 04:40 pm
@nimh,
I can see why you consider those moves right, but I think the reality is more complex.

The Democrat party split, and that left Trump to win. Trump ran as an outsider, not a member of the right establishment—which to me—would be a legitimate trend to the right. The collapse of the Dems is the inciting incident. The unprecedented acceptance of Trump, an outrageous loose cannon aimed at the establishment, shows the weakness there, I think. The acceptance of a Romney or Bush 3 would have signaled a rightward move.

In that vein, Brexit is backing away from neoliberalism—trying to return to more local control. I know some nationalists glommed on, so that it looks like a straight right move, but I think motives are too blurry to call it.

The Ukrainian comedian seems easier to call. It’s just an outright crazed slap
against the establishment.

I just don’t think the *politics of the winner* is instructive in these cases. These big moves are bold *rejections* of something —and when that something is recognized, we can calculate the direction. Think about where the gob smacking rise of Bernie fits in there. The two outsiders did surprisingly well; the one we all expected to walk away with it — with far more money than contenders — lost.

My opinion anyway.
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Real Music
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2019 09:35 pm
Inside Biden's battle plan.


Published April 22, 2019
Quote:
Joe Biden has led nearly every Democratic primary poll without doing anything. Now, the former vice president’s team is planning to solidify his frontrunner status with a wave of high-profile organizing, fundraising and endorsement news when he enters the race.

Biden’s campaign in waiting has ramped up over the last several weeks — calling donors across the country and tapping decades-old friendships to line up support from major Democratic Party figures, organized labor, members of Congress and elected officials from early presidential states, according to people with direct knowledge of Biden’s campaign strategy. POLITICO also spoke to donors who’ve received calls from Biden’s team, potential campaign aides who have been interviewed for jobs and stakeholders in early primary and caucus states who were asked to pitch in their support.

As Biden seeks on-the-ground labor support in early primary and caucus states, he has all but locked in the endorsement of the International Association of Firefighters, the union that helped boost John Kerry to the Democratic nomination in 2004. This year, union president Harold Schaitberger said, the 315,000-member union plans to quickly deploy an organized effort to boost Biden in the early-voting states.

“I have been in touch on a consistent basis with the campaign and the vice president,” Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Firefighters told POLITICO on Monday. Once Biden's announcement goes live, Schaitberger continued, “our executive board will be prepared to immediately meet and formally take a position on the primary and we’ll likely be prepared to make that announcement on the 29th.”

The early activity is fueled by Biden’s long relationships within the Democratic Party and the bonds he built as Barack Obama’s vice president, which vaulted him to the top of the primary pack this year without rushing into the race early. But Biden’s team sees an opportunity to generate something Biden hasn't yet had this year with a strong entrance: forward momentum, created by proving he has what it takes to compete in a historically large primary field before going toe-to-toe with President Donald Trump.

As Biden's team works to lock down national labor support, it is also chasing union backing in early states like Iowa, where his aides have already interviewed staff.

“I talked to his staff quite a bit,” said Betty Brim-Hunter, who was the state political director to Iowa’s AFL-CIO for 13 years. Asked if she will be with Biden: “100 percent. And I told his staff whatever I can do to help them — I just retired, they have my commitment.”

Former Nevada Democratic chairman Sam Lieberman said Biden has already won his endorsement and he expects "labor could be easily persuaded to support Joe Biden if he was in the mix."

"I have always supported him in the past and I would definitely support him now," Lieberman said. "I’m just concerned that it needs to happen fast because we in Nevada are getting inundated by all the candidates."

The long-awaited campaign is finally in the works: Biden’s team has planned for a video announcement this week. Several sources close to the campaign said previous media reports about timing and location of rallies were not accurate, though the campaign would not comment to clarify. Three people who talked to Biden or his team told POLITICO the announcement could come on Thursday, though the timing remained in flux as of late Monday.

Biden’s formal announcement is to be followed by related launch events, including a fundraiser in Philadelphia. An announcement on early presidential staffing would soon follow, and the campaign would then roll into a series of early-state visits.

“They’re going to launch strategically all over the country,” an operative with knowledge of Biden’s strategy said. “They’ll have people in place in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and roll out endorsements from elected officials all over the country, so when they come out they can have this show of force.”

In recent weeks, Biden’s team or Biden himself have reached out to donors around the country asking for commitments for a launch this week.

In Philadelphia, a group of donors were asking supporters to write checks even before the fundraiser slated to be held later this week, once Biden is officially in the race.

Former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, who is helping organize the fundraiser, said he’s been in contact with Biden’s team and is still awaiting final word on timing for the event, which would follow Biden’s announcement. Rendell said the fundraiser was planned for Thursday as of that moment, but he also said it could be moved to next week.

“We’re doing it on the day they tell us,” Rendell told POLITICO. “They have told us tentatively Thursday but there’s nothing in stone about that.”

Stephen Cozen, an attorney and longtime Biden ally, said the fundraising effort aims “to demonstrate to others that he’s got this very broad band of support at the lowest level, not necessarily even at the highest level, where I’m sure — I know for a fact — there are people with a lot of money sitting out there waiting for Joe to get in. That’s not what we’re concentrating on. We’re concentrating on building the bottom.”

Biden’s call for donors comes as he’s expected to be outpaced on small-donor fundraising by others in the field, including Sen. Bernie Sanders, who so far has the most consistent, highest polling aside from Biden. Small-dollar donations have been a point of emphasis for most candidates, who have sought to portray themselves as outsiders not entangled with special interests.

“It’s not an emergency but it’s a need. He’s got a list. But it’s not a Bernie list,” said a Biden campaign surrogate. “We need to push checks up as early as possible.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-bidens-battle-plan/ar-BBWbYp3?ocid=UE13DHP
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