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The Case For Biden

 
 
maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 21 Mar, 2019 10:58 am
@snood,
The strategy may not be a bad one in a field with so many candidates.

They’d also get the benefit of having two very popular people working together. Twice as many campaign stops. Twice as many public appearances. Twice as many TV appearances.

It would be a significant distinction among the field of ~20.


No idea how it will work, but it will be interesting to see.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 21 Mar, 2019 11:14 am
Bernie has said that his running mate will be female.
revelette1
 
  1  
Thu 21 Mar, 2019 11:28 am
@snood,
Me too, I am not sure it will matter once they both start campaigning. Can you imagine Abrams on a stump speech or giving a rally? It is smart, pandering or not. She got a lot of praise for rebuttal of the State of Union speech so there is a reason Biden can point to. Maybe they also want to get her before she is taken.
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Lash
 
  1  
Thu 21 Mar, 2019 01:37 pm
@Brand X,
Wow. That’s news.
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Lash
 
  1  
Thu 21 Mar, 2019 02:49 pm
Biden won’t last through this.
https://theintercept.com/2019/03/21/joe-biden-2020-hillary-clinton/

Excerpt:

THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY,” Einstein didn’t say, “is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Have the Democrats gone mad? Are they really planning on putting up the same type of candidate against Donald Trump in 2020 that they put up against him in 2016? Is the party bent on nominating Hillary 2.0?

How else to describe Joe Biden, the former vice president and ex-senator from Delaware, who is leading in the polls and has hinted that he’d reveal whether he’s running for president in “a few weeks” and might select a running mate early in the process?

Forget, for a moment, his “blue-collar-uncle-at-the-end-of-the-bar persona.” Ignore also his recent, and ridiculous, claim to have the “most progressive record of anybody” running for president. Consider, instead, the sheer number of similarities he seems to have with the vanquished Democratic presidential candidate of 2016.

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Iraq War supporter? Check. Clinton was pilloried by the left and the right alike as a wild-eyed hawk; her vote in favor of the Iraq invasion haunted both her 2008 and 2016 campaigns. In fact, a study by two academics in 2017 found a “significant and meaningful relationship between a community’s rate of military sacrifice and its support for Trump” and suggested that if Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin “had suffered even a modestly lower casualty rate,” they could have “sent Hillary Clinton to the White House.”

Let’s be clear: If he runs, Biden will be the only candidate — out of up to 20 Democrats running for the nomination — to have voted for the Iraq War. As the influential chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in the run-up to the invasion, Biden (falsely) claimed the United States had “no choice but to eliminate the threat” from Saddam Hussein. A former U.N. weapons inspector even accused the then-senator of running a “sham” committee hearing that provided “political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq.”

Friend of Wall Street? Check. Clinton had a Goldman Sachs problem; Biden has an MBNA problem. Headquartered in his home state of Delaware, the credit card giant MBNA was his biggest donor when he served in the Senate. In 2005, Biden threw his weight behind a bankruptcy bill, signed into law by President George W. Bush, that shamefully protected credit card companies at the expense of borrowers.

National Review later dubbed Biden “the senator from MBNA”. The then-senator’s son Hunter even went to work for the company while his father was pushing through the bankruptcy bill. There’s a word for that, right? Trumpian.

As in 2016, Sen. Bernie Sanders will be bashing the banks again in the run-up to 2020; as in 2016, his fellow frontrunner will be defending them. “I love Bernie, but I’m not Bernie Sanders,” Biden confirmed in a speech in May 2018. “I don’t think 500 billionaires are the reason we’re in trouble. The folks at the top aren’t bad guys.”

Champion of mass incarceration? Check. Clinton took flak for supporting the 1994 crime bill, which helped push up the U.S. prison population, introduced new federal death penalty crimes, and hugely exacerbated racial disparities in the criminal justice system. And Biden? Well, he wrote the damn thing!

Remember how Clinton’s loathsome defense of the 1994 bill came back to bite her in 2016? “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘superpredators.’ … We have to bring them to heel.”

You don’t think Biden’s decadeslong “tough on crime” rhetoric will hurt him too? Especially with minority voters? “One of my objectives, quite frankly, is to lock Willie Horton up in jail,” he declared in 1990, as Senate Judiciary Committee chair.

“I don’t care why someone is a malefactor in society,” Biden said in 1993, as he mocked “wacko Democrats” for trying to understand the causes of crime. “I don’t care why someone is antisocial. I don’t care why they’ve become a sociopath. We have an obligation to cordon them off from the rest of society.”

“My greatest accomplishment is the 1994 Crime Bill,” he told the National Sheriffs’ Association in 2007.

Millions of black voters refused to turn out for Clinton in 2016. Why wouldn’t they do the same in response to a Biden candidacy in 2020?

Establishment-friendly? Check. The Clintons arrived in Washington, D.C., in 1993; Clinton then spent eight years in the Senate and four years in Barack Obama’s cabinet. Biden arrived in D.C. in 1973; he spent 36 years in the Senate and eight years in Obama’s cabinet.

When Trump tries to run again as an anti-establishment outsider in 2020, what will Biden’s response be? And will grassroots Democrats rally behind a candidate who befriended and defended notorious segregationist Strom Thurmond, and whose allies brag that he is a “a guy who actually gets along with Mitch McConnell and a number of other Republicans”? This is supposed to be a selling point?

Gaffe-prone? Check. You think the “deplorables” line from Clinton was bad? Did you cringe at “Pokemon Go to the polls”? The former vice president has a long list of excruciating “Bidenisms.” Remember when he asked a state senator in a wheelchair to “stand up … let ’em see ya”? Or when he told a largely African-American audience that Mitt Romney was “going to put y’all back in chains”? Or when he said, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent”? I could go on. And on. And on. (And don’t even get me started on the “Creepy Joe Biden” videos …)

Why nominate a candidate for president who’ll make Trump look … what’s the word … normal?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:48 pm
@Lash,
Stay pure lefties , stay pure. 😀
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
...and you stay dirty!
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georgeob1
 
  2  
Sun 24 Mar, 2019 12:14 pm
@Lash,
My strong impression is that the current interest in a Biden candidacy, among both Democrat political leaders and many of their supporters, is motivated by the fear or judgment that none of the other current contenders for the nomination could win a Presidential election. I believe there is strong evidence to support this contention and their fears..
Brand X
 
  2  
Sun 24 Mar, 2019 12:22 pm
@georgeob1,
And you have to remember that the number one goal of the DNC is to defeat the leading progressive candidate, beating the opponent is secondary.

Progressives laugh when Biden says he's a progressive.
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hightor
 
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Sun 24 Mar, 2019 12:57 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
My strong impression is that the current interest in a Biden candidacy, among both Democrat political leaders and many of their supporters, is motivated by the fear or judgment that none of the other current contenders for the nomination could win a Presidential election.

The polls I saw showed that he had the most support by far — that in itself would make his candidacy interesting. Sanders was in second place. All those two have in common is name recognition. Those polls are a few weeks old by now and I don't know where Biden stands at the moment. But again I ask why you insist on putting a Fox-like spin on every issue — we're ten months away from the start of the primaries and what usually happens is that less well-known candidates begin to acquire more support and the early popularity of an establishment pol like Biden can drop precipitously.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 24 Mar, 2019 01:37 pm
@hightor,
What is a "Fox -like spin" ?

There was no "spin" at all in my post above. The reemergence of Biden as a candidate at this juncture is itself an unusual and unexpected outcome. I believe the motivation for it is, for the most part, just as I described, and that was the only point I addressed. I believe the evidence for it is abundant and obvious. Do you have an alternate theory?

I made no prediction about how the winnowing out of current Democrat candidates as time passes might proceed, or even of Biden's likely success in getting the nomination. Perhaps you prefer to discuss that. However it was not what I was addressing.
Brand X
 
  2  
Sun 24 Mar, 2019 01:50 pm
You also have to be very skeptical of early candidate polls, especially on CNN.
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Sun 24 Mar, 2019 08:30 pm
@georgeob1,
Hey George, as a Trump advocate do you agree with him that its ok for Putin to land 100 armed Russian troops in Venezuela?
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hightor
 
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Mon 25 Mar, 2019 04:47 am
@georgeob1,
george, Biden has been on top in the polls since Clinton lost the election. As a former v.p. and his many years in the public eye he has very good name recognition. He hasn't "reemerged", nor is his position in the polls "unusual" or "unexpected". The evidence for this is abundant and obvious. No "alternative theory" is required.

Which is why I questioned yours:

Quote:
My strong impression is that the current interest in a Biden candidacy, among both Democrat political leaders and many of their supporters, is motivated by the fear or judgment that none of the other current contenders for the nomination could win a Presidential election.


You attempt to frame his popularity as something new and significant when in reality the case is just the opposite. You try to make it seem like something ominous. That's the "Fox-like spin". There are many Democratic leaders and rank and file Dems who do not support Biden and doubt his ability to win. Sure, if all the primaries were held today, Biden would have a good chance of coming out on top. But none of the Democratic candidates will have an easy time winning the election, Biden included.
Lash
 
  1  
Mon 25 Mar, 2019 09:27 am
@georgeob1,
I think you’re right. The problem is Biden is a fool. It always comes out. They’re keeping him out as long as possible—probably paying a guy to knock mics away from his face.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Mon 25 Mar, 2019 10:07 am
Biden's poll numbers will faceplant like Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie's did shortly after he enters race.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Mon 25 Mar, 2019 11:00 am
@hightor,
I believe you are reading far too much into a simple post which merely stated a fairly evident fact surrounding the current high interest in a Biden candidacy.

Your extended riff on the rather unremarkable list of possibilities that may arise from it, and just what nefarious undercurrents you may see there, bears no relation to the, frankly non partisan, observation I made.
revelette1
 
  2  
Wed 27 Mar, 2019 01:46 pm
Quote:
Barely a minute after sitting down on The View Wednesday morning, Stacey Abrams made news.

When Joy Behar asked the former Georgia gubernatorial candidate about the rumors that Joe Biden wanted to put her on his presidential ticket before he has even announced his own candidacy, Abrams said flatly, “I think you don’t run for second place.”

“Oh, that is a good answer,” Meghan McCain, who made her support for Biden over President Trump well known, chimed in as the audience cheered.

“If I’m going to enter a primary, then I’m going to enter a primary,” Abrams continued. “And if I don’t enter a primary, my job is to make certain that the best Democrat becomes the nominee and whoever wins the primary that we make sure that person gets elected in 2020.”

But what about an “Abrams-Biden ticket” for president, Behar wanted to know.

“I am open to a number of options right now,” she replied.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/stacey-abrams-shuts-down-joe-biden-vp-rumors-you-dont-run-for-second-place/ar-BBViXzz?ocid=spartandhp


I love that woman, she just has good down home sense; with experience as VP, she would make a good president someday.
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hightor
 
  3  
Wed 27 Mar, 2019 02:43 pm
@georgeob1,
I believe your comments were factually wrong; that is the only reason why I addressed them.
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Lash
 
  0  
Wed 27 Mar, 2019 02:53 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

My strong impression is that the current interest in a Biden candidacy, among both Democrat political leaders and many of their supporters, is motivated by the fear or judgment that none of the other current contenders for the nomination could win a Presidential election. I believe there is strong evidence to support this contention and their fears..

I thought I needed to amend my response.
I think the DNC is desperate to get anyone other than Bernie in office. I think they’d rather lose to trump again than have Bernie in office. Bernie changes everything.

Bernie can definitely win.
 

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