The Case For Biden

One of these days I'll ask who the **** the "elite" are in political usage. Not yet, I am not interested in vapor. Please don't tell me.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

One of these days I'll ask who the **** the "elite" are in political usage. Not yet, I am not interested in vapor. Please don't tell me.

I am seriously considering as my next book "How the elite lost America". I am currently finishing a memoir, which clocks in at 56,000 words and is pretty good I think.

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@ossobuco,

You're funny, Osso. Stay you.

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@snood,

I have no choice..

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2] Speaking of the Democrats, would you advise Vice President Joe Biden to get into the race at this point? Or is it too late, as some have suggested?

Kristol: I've expected Joe Biden to run since the August 1 Maureen Dowd column. He should run, he will run, and he has a pretty decent chance to win. When you think about it, isn't Joe Biden-Elizabeth Warren the logical Democratic ticket? He's a more sympathetic figure than Clinton; his nomination would come as close as you could get to an Obama third term and Democrats would like that; and Warren represents the ideological direction most Democrats would like to go in the future.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bill-kristol-clinton-prepared-wh-carson-president/story?id=34542495

Yes, but I am not aware that Warren would take the job, though based upon his age a past health problems she should. The R's can beat Clinton, I dont see how they could top a Biden/Warren ticket.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Yes, but I am not aware that Warren would take the job, though based upon his age a past health problems she should. The R's can beat Clinton, I dont see how they could top a Biden/Warren ticket.

Keep in mind who wrote those words, folks, because what Hawk is looking for...is a Republican win...no matter what.

At this point, Biden is almost certainly a spoiler if he decides to enter. I do not think he will enter...I think a great deal of the man and I do not think he will do that.

Warren, in my opinion, is as unelectable in today's America as Sanders.

IF you are looking for a Dem win...or if you are looking for a Republican loss...Hillary Clinton seems to be the clear choice at the moment.

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@snood,

At this point, a Biden candidacy would be boon to a Bernie presidency and little more.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

At this point, a Biden candidacy would be boon to a Bernie presidency and little more.

Yup. That and (unfortunately) ego-food for Biden. That's why I hope he doesn't run. I want to keep my high opinion of the man, and I can't really reconcile him choosing to run at this point as anything but selfish.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Keep in mind who wrote those words, folks, because what Hawk is looking for...is a Republican win...no matter what.

Yeah... it's funny isn't it? Hawkeye with concern and wise counsel about what the Democrats need to do to secure victory. Wotta guy.

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Fox News is Breaking this news that Biden is In. The only outlets saying this so far are Fox and Newsweek - both have spotty histories with truth and accuracy in reporting (remember when Fox went live saying Mitt had won?), so, grain of salt....

Joe Biden will enter 2016 presidential race, Fox News reports

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/joe-biden-will-enter-2016-presidential-race-fox-news-reports/comments/#disqus

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@snood,

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The sieve that is the Biden – Maybe—'16 movement has sprung another leak, telling NBC News that the vice president possibly maybe could make up his mind whether he will run, or not, maybe sometime in the next couple of days. Naturally, this ironclad speculation has dominated the news cycle all morning.

It really is time for Biden to get off the pot. He is squandering his accumulated goodwill in a lot of places, and he's vulnerable to charges that he is merely the vehicle for a lot of ambitious staffers and aides who like to be anonymous in the newspapers. So, if this announcement actually is coming from Biden himself, he should be held rigidly to the 48-hour standard. If, in two days, he's still "mulling," he should be ignored. This is edging again dangerously close to an exercise in discreet ratfcking as regards to the present Democratic frontrunner.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38972/joe-biden-must-decide/

We must remember that there is a pretty good size pool of D apparatchik who despise the Clintons. I would expect to find some of them connected to Biden. These leaks may or may not have anything to do with Biden.

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@hawkeye10,

I actually am pretty much in agreement with this Esquire article. I still have regard for Biden, but this will he or won't he speculation has worn my patience way thin.

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@snood,

These same people are again telling the press that Obama is driving Biden 16, which makes me suspicious. I do not like The Professor, like at all, but I dont think he would so **** the Clintons even if he really wished someone else was the candidate. I dont think it is in his DNA.

I could be wrong.

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@hawkeye10,

I also don't think the Biden organization would be leaking his intentions to Fox News.

Personally, I think Biden's window is pretty much closed. If he was going to jump in, before the first debate would have been the time. Maybe he was hoping (or fearing) Clinton would stumble and he could get in then, but she turned in a solid performance so he is not needed.

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@engineer,

Come on, Clinton did the almost perfect performance and still she is sitting at 56% support from likely D voters against only a socialist because she got NOTHING out of her good job. These are horrible numbers, she is very getable, clearly America does not want her very deeply. Contrary to most I say that these latest polls argue that Biden go for it.

And he has a core of Clinton haters who will be willing to die for Biden (figuratively) trying to kill Hillary (figuratively) . IF he can get the bucks, which he has spent a lot of time working on, it makes sense.

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@hawkeye10,

Last I saw, 56% is winning big and her performance made that 56% more reliable. She doesn't need one voter from the 44%, she just needs to reassure the votes she already has in the bag and she did that.

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@engineer,

I would like to see him be a candidate, if it's within a week's time. Whether or not he wins, I'd like see him get a real hearing and I think plenty of other Dems would.

I do get that Bernie has been able to make things happen within congress (thanks for the info, Bobsal, good lists, whatever thread that was in), so I don't take him as incapable of dealing with congress. I'm more worried about congressional brinksmanship run amouk in endless loops, if congress doesn't pick up more Dems in these crazyness times. Would Hillary Clinton do better than Bernie with congress? Would Biden? Biden might both get elected and do fairly well after that. Anyway, I want to hear what he has to say.

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@ossobuco,

I think Biden has a better rep in Congress for cajoling/arm twisting and getting to a deal. He was the President's point man in the Iran vote. That said, with the current makeup of the Congress I don't think it will matter much.

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@engineer,

I get you, agree, but if Biden is a possible answer, maybe he will bring disenchanted clinton dems with him re voting for congress. People like me will vote Dem hell or high water, but some others may not bother.

I did vote Green once, but it wasn't a congressional level vote.

edit - I shoulda said dems disenchanted by Clinton, but not all aboard for Bernie.

Laughing, I wonder what my ex is thinking. He is more politically tuned in than I am, it's part of why we still talk after all these years, the continuity: family, how we are, but also politics. I even agree with his wife on stuff..

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

I also don't think the Biden organization would be leaking his intentions to Fox News.

Personally, I think Biden's window is pretty much closed. If he was going to jump in, before the first debate would have been the time. Maybe he was hoping (or fearing) Clinton would stumble and he could get in then, but she turned in a solid performance so he is not needed.

I hope these reports are wrong.

I like Biden...always have. He is a stand-up guy...and nowhere near the bumpkin some want to portray him as being.

But jumping into this race at this point would be the wrong thing to do...although I am sure he could justify it by saying it is over a year away from the election.

If he ended up the nominee...I would vote for him with warm regard.

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