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The Case For Biden

 
 
parados
 
  5  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 01:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
She had that expectation because all correspondence that contained classified info was to be printed out for her to read at the State Department.
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parados
 
  3  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 01:47 pm
@georgeob1,
So a CEO is responsible if an employee visits a porn website during work hours and should be fired? That is the upshot of your argument georgeob1 and it makes no sense at all.
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parados
 
  3  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 01:48 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Now the number of e-mails reviewed found to contain classified information is in the hundreds, and that represents only a small sample of a larger body of messages not yet reviewed or even released.

Not true. A sample of 40 emails extrapolated to all the other 30,000 shows there may be hundreds but hundreds have not been found.
Lash
 
  2  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 02:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
Our roads and bridges are becoming unsafe, but our govt - largely assembled for common needs like these and similar - is not interested in spending money to take care of these things. Govt waste is rampant.

If we simply spend sensibly and tax the heretofore untaxable, there is money. Sanders isn't handing out candy - he's stopping the bullshit, applying intelligence and honesty. I know - it sounds crazy.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 03:34 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Our roads and bridges are becoming unsafe, but our govt - largely assembled for common needs like these and similar - is not interested in spending money to take care of these things. Govt waste is rampant.

If we simply spend sensibly and tax the heretofore untaxable, there is money. Sanders isn't handing out candy - he's stopping the bullshit, applying intelligence and honesty. I know - it sounds crazy.


Yeah...and naive also.
snood
 
  3  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 04:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yeah, that's something I can't really figure out. When Obama was running, people used to accuse his supporters of treating him like he was the messiah or some kind of genie who they believed would swoop in and solve all our woes. They denigrated them as 'Obamatrons', naively parroting anything he said.

I thought the characterization was unfair. I thought Obama was the best thing running, but I didn't have any starry-eyed idea that he would waltz in and overnight unearth the centuries old, core-deep corruption and good-ole boy network. I was actually afraid for him and his family when he got elected - for what kind of opposition he'd have to overcome, and what kind of personal pounding they would have to endure.

That's why I don't understand the grade-school rhetoric that some people employ in their support of Bernie-the-good. Just because he gives voice to all the pie-in-the-sky ideals they hold dear doesn't necessarily mean a damn thing when viewed in the light of reality. I've listened to Sanders spout all his leftwing talking point jibber jabber for YEARS, and I am no more impressed with it now - since other people are hearing it - than I was the first time I heard it. All we can be sure of, based on what he's done, when trying to predict what he will actually be able to do in DC, is talk all that Saint Bernie the good left wing garbledy gook.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 05:38 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
Now the number of e-mails reviewed found to contain classified information is in the hundreds, and that represents only a small sample of a larger body of messages not yet reviewed or even released.

Not true. A sample of 40 emails extrapolated to all the other 30,000 shows there may be hundreds but hundreds have not been found.


Your information is out of date. The total is now in the hundreds, just as I wrote.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 06:31 pm
@georgeob1,
Geeze - I guess parados missed the last talking points memo
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 06:34 pm
@snood,
I've every reason to believe that you didn't see Obama as a messiah, but that doesn't mean that a whole lot of other people didn't as well. It also doesn't mean he and his inner circle didn't see him as one either.

Obviously no candidate is a messiah, but the more they talk like one, the more we should be concerned about them.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 1 Sep, 2015 10:14 pm
@snood,
I agree with you in this. Sanders has been in the Senate for over two decades and so far he hasn't accomplished anything beyond the distinction of being the only avowed socialist in the Congress. However, given that he is from a state like Vermont, even that doesn't count for much. I too find the excitement that attends his shopworn socialist rhetoric a bit hard to understand. How anyone could believe all that **** after the awful lessons of the 20th century is beyond me.

Obama entered office attended by the hopes and illusions of a population captivated with the image of a Harvard educated Black man who was a "constitutional Law professor and editor of the Harvard Law Review. What they got was a narcissistic product of subsidies and affirmative action - an authoritarian revolutionary bent on taking the country down a peg or two. Now we're faced with widespread public unease and discord and a situation fraught with the potential for sudden and hard to predict change of direction.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Tue 1 Sep, 2015 11:11 pm
@snood,
Simple Snood. Its the ultra conservative Hillery haters who hope they can convince the dems to nominate someone they believe they can beat so they lie and lie about her. Even the media declares that she knowingly sent classified e mails in the first paragraph then if one reads the whole article they admit that they werent classified when she sent them. Know that the Koch brothers and their ilk own the media and it says what they want it to say.
snood
 
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Tue 1 Sep, 2015 11:20 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Obama entered office attended by the hopes and illusions of a population captivated with the image of a Harvard educated Black man who was a "constitutional Law professor and editor of the Harvard Law Review. What they got was a narcissistic product of subsidies and affirmative action - an authoritarian revolutionary bent on taking the country down a peg or two. Now we're faced with widespread public unease and discord and a situation fraught with the potential for sudden and hard to predict change of direction.


We agree about the triteness of Sanders' message and the inordinate adulation going to him, but not about the above. You made it seem like 'Harvard educated black man who was a constitutional law professor and editor of the Harvard Law Review' was something other than totally accurate. And you're trying to make Obama some kind of affirmative action hire? There's nothing I can say to convince you that Obama's accomplishments in office were Herculean considering his opposition, so I won't try. You're entitled to your own opinion, just not your own separate 'facts'.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 1 Sep, 2015 11:23 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
. Even the media declares that she knowingly sent classified e mails in the first paragraph then if one reads the whole article they admit that they werent classified when she sent them.

Does not matter, She knew that because of how she organized her communications that state secrets would be on her private lightly guarded server, and as a result Russian and China would read them. She went out of her way to make sure US citizens could not track her work, and in the process made it easier for our enemies to track her work.

And that folks is some serious fucked up, and why just about anyone else would be a better choice than this bitch.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 2 Sep, 2015 02:21 am
@snood,
In response to George:


snood wrote:


There's nothing I can say to convince you that Obama's accomplishments in office were Herculean considering his opposition, so I won't try.


Something that deserved repeating...and bolding!
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Lash
 
  1  
Wed 2 Sep, 2015 04:08 am
Biden would be a great improvement over Hillary, so why do these rabid Hillary supporters not support Joe? Are you Democrats are Clintonistas?
revelette2
 
  2  
Wed 2 Sep, 2015 06:25 am
@Lash,
Why can't they simply for Clinton the same as you are for Sanders or I am for Biden if he runs? It is entirely probable.

From what I can see with this latest bunch of reporting on her emails is a gross invasion of her privacy for no purpose other than to expose the inner thoughts of aides and associates to how they deal with State issues. It is disgusting.
engineer
 
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Wed 2 Sep, 2015 08:08 am
@revelette2,
I like Biden. That said, the biggest argument against Biden is that no one really is passionate about him. For all Clinton bashers, she has a passionate following just like Sanders. I don't think the same can be said for Biden.
parados
 
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Wed 2 Sep, 2015 09:39 am
@georgeob1,
Really? Care to provide a source for your hundreds?

This is from yesterday's NYTimes
Quote:
The department initially said it had redacted information from roughly 150 emails because they contained sensitive information, then reduced that estimate to 125.


125 is not hundreds. It is over 100 but not yet to 200 which would be required for the plural of hundred.
parados
 
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Wed 2 Sep, 2015 09:47 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
So perhaps you have a source that specifically lists hundreds of emails that were classified? Or do you always miss out when it comes to facts?
revelette2
 
  1  
Wed 2 Sep, 2015 09:52 am
@parados,
Some of the information in the latest batch of emails contained the same information as the earlier batch of emails. I left a link to that effect

here.

Quote:
They also said some of the information classified in Monday's release was identical to information withheld in earlier batches.
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