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The Case For Biden

 
 
oralloy
 
  1  
Thu 18 Feb, 2021 06:18 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
But please don't let the peaceful protestors gouge out the eyes of policeman.

Most of the protesters had nothing to do with attacking any police officers.
glitterbag
 
  5  
Thu 18 Feb, 2021 06:24 pm
@oralloy,
So who was it, The Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers or one of the other muscle headed white power boys?
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 18 Feb, 2021 06:28 pm
@glitterbag,
I don't know who murdered the one officer and attacked the other officers. I hope they are all identified so they can be prosecuted.
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Builder
 
  -2  
Fri 19 Feb, 2021 12:15 am
@hightor,
Quote:
That's exactly what he could have done


In a nation divided so "cleanly" down red and blue lines, your president could have made any number of edicts, which the blue states would have roundly ignored.

Each state and territory in Australia is making their own edicts on the epidemic, and that's been working just fine for us.

Trump would have had to have known a helluva lot more than what state governors could or would have told him, before any kind of rational "one size fits all" package could have been pushed on the nation.

Sucks that a foreigner needs to remind you that you reside in the United States, rather than a cohesive whole.

What's creepy Joe doing about those Americans freezing to death in Texas? Leaving it to the state governor? Or down there with the mittens on, helping out?
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 19 Feb, 2021 03:46 am
@Builder,
As usual this post misses the mark on many levels.
Quote:
In a nation divided so "cleanly" down red and blue lines, your president could have made any number of edicts, which the blue states would have roundly ignored.

First thing, what's with the "your president" spiel? "The president" is sufficient, no matter who's in office. The president doesn't issue "edicts" which the states have to obey. There are certain changes he can effect by executive order — like authorizing immediate aid with disaster declarations — but when it comes to really addressing long-festering problems (like the electrical distribution grid) he needs to sign legislation. When there's money attached you usually see red and blue states paying close attention.
Quote:
Each state and territory in Australia is making their own edicts on the epidemic, and that's been working just fine for us.

The laws are different in the USA and there's a role for the federal government but, by and large, states design their own response to the pandemic. The criticism of the Trump administration is that it failed to indicate how severe the problem was likely to get — "one day it will just disappear, like a miracle" — and so justified resistance to public health measures in the minds of his supporters. With no testing, no coordinated plan, and a politically-cultivated distrust of the science, the USA lost precious time.
Quote:
Trump would have had to have known a helluva lot more than what state governors could or would have told him, before any kind of rational "one size fits all" package could have been pushed on the nation.

Um...that's not how it works. By May, Congress had authorized nearly $3 trillion in four separate measures. More relief followed at the end of the year and another package is being put together now.
Quote:
Sucks that a foreigner needs to remind you that you reside in the United States, rather than a cohesive whole.

Actually I don't need you to remind me of anything, and certainly not anything concerning the divisions in our political culture. The only thing that "sucks" is this particular foreigner's archly dismissive mix of delusion and ignorance.
'creepy' Builder wrote:

What's creepy Joe doing about those Americans freezing to death in Texas?

Here's some of the federal response:
Quote:
And while state power officials scramble to get Texas's electric grid back to pre-storm capacity, the Biden administration has also begun unlocking federal aid to help provide lifesaving emergency gear for struggling Texans. On Monday, President Biden approved an emergency declaration for the state, opening the doors for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to begin moving power generators, blankets, and water into at-risk zones. FEMA has already reportedly dispatched 60 "very large" generators intended to keep crucial sites such as hospitals running. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki also announced this week that the agency would send diesel fuel to the state in order "to ensure the continued availability of backup power."


In addition to FEMA supplies, the government has reportedly begun the process of dispatching active duty military personnel to help facilitate Texas's ongoing — and since disrupted — coronavirus vaccination effort.

mic
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revelette3
 
  3  
Fri 19 Feb, 2021 09:26 am
I am confused on which page to post Biden stuff.

Anyway:

Quote:
Biden Administration Formally Offers to Restart Nuclear Talks With Iran

President Biden campaigned on restoring an accord limiting Iran’s nuclear program. It remains unclear if Tehran, which is demanding that sanctions be lifted first, will accept the offer to talk.

WASHINGTON — The United States took a major step on Thursday toward restoring the Iran nuclear deal that the Trump administration abandoned, offering to join European nations in what would be the first substantial diplomacy with Tehran in more than four years, Biden administration officials said.

In a series of moves intended to make good on one of President Biden’s most significant campaign promises, the administration also backed away from a Trump administration effort to restore United Nations sanctions on Iran. That effort had divided Washington from its European allies.

And at the same time, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken told European foreign ministers in a call on Thursday morning that the United States would join them in seeking to restore the 2015 nuclear accord with Iran, which he said “was a key achievement of multilateral diplomacy.”

Hours later, Enrique Mora, the European Union’s deputy secretary general for political affairs, appealed to the original signers of the nuclear deal — Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China — to salvage it at “a critical moment.”

“Intense talks with all participants and the US,” Mr. Mora said on Twitter. “I am ready to invite them to an informal meeting to discuss the way forward.”

While it was unclear whether the Iranians would agree to join discussions, three people familiar with the internal debate said it was likely Iran would accept. The officials said Iran would probably be more open to a meeting with the European Union, where the United States was a guest or observer, rather than direct formal talks with Washington as a participant.

In recent days, the Iranian foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, and President Hassan Rouhani have suggested they were open to discussing some kind of synchronized approach, in which both sides would act on a certain date. That has an appeal inside the White House, one senior American official said, noting it was how key steps for carrying out the original 2015 deal were coordinated.

But with an Iranian presidential election only four months away, it was not clear if the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and the nation’s political and military leadership would fully support re-engagement with the United States.

The first obstacle to restoring the deal may be a delicate political dance of who acts first. Mr. Blinken said this week that the Biden administration believed simply restoring the old deal was insufficient. He has other goals that include extending and deepening the agreement in an effort to rein in Iran’s growing missile ability and its continued support of terrorist groups and the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad, issues that Iran has said are not on table.

Throughout the 2020 presidential campaign and the transition, Mr. Biden insisted he would lift sanctions imposed by President Donald J. Trump only if Iran returned to the limits on nuclear production that it observed until 2019.

Under the original 2015 deal, Iran shipped 97 percent of its nuclear fuel out of the country and agreed to sharp limits on new production that would essentially assure it would take it a year or more to produce enough material for a single weapon. (It would take even longer to build a weapon.) In return, world powers lifted international sanctions that had choked the Iranian economy.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/us/politics/biden-iran-nuclear.html
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 19 Feb, 2021 09:44 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
I am confused on which page to post Biden stuff.

This particular thread was originally from 2015 (!) and got re-invigorated during the debates and primaries before the 2020 election.

I'd normally post current news about President Biden in the thread that NeptuneBlue started after we retired the old "Monitoring Trump" thread but I was specifically responding to 'creepy' Builder — that's the only reason it's on this page. Don't sweat it, though. I'm pretty sure most of us are watching both threads for new posts as they show up.

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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 19 Feb, 2021 10:08 pm
@oralloy,
6 deaths, 60 cops sent to hospital, a cop beaten to death with a fire extinguisher, mobs roaming the halls demanding pence be lynched,a violent shutdown of constitutional congressional action. over a hundred indictments, is a pretty strange definiton of "peaceful". Of course, oralloy does have a facility for orwellian double-think.
snood
 
  4  
Sat 20 Feb, 2021 12:31 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

6 deaths, 60 cops sent to hospital, a cop beaten to death with a fire extinguisher, mobs roaming the halls demanding pence be lynched,a violent shutdown of constitutional congressional action. over a hundred indictments, is a pretty strange definiton of "peaceful". Of course, oralloy does have a facility for orwellian double-think.


You misspelled “facility for lying and self delusion”.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Sat 20 Feb, 2021 05:49 am
@snood,
aaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha snort, gasp, bwahahahahahahahahaha
revelette3
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 10:09 am
The newer Biden page the replies are locked down, probably due to all the down votes or something. If the moderators can pin down who it is, I hope they can suspend their usernames.

Anyway:

The Lost Hours: How Confusion and Inaction at the Capitol Delayed a Troop Deployment


Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 10:28 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:


The newer Biden page is locked out, probably due to all the down votes or something. If the moderators can pin down who it is, I hope they can suspend their usernames.

Anyway:

The Lost Hours: How Confusion and Inaction at the Capitol Delayed a Troop Deployment





What is going on with that down-vote garbage. I almost NEVER down-vote any posting...even the ones which I consider stupid or offensive. And for the most part, I seldom see much in the way of down-votes from everyone. But lately, I see brand new threads with several down-votes already on them BEFORE I read them for the first time.

I have argued for doing away with the up-vote/down-vote for years. Actually, I have no problem with voting up or down on comments...but there should not be up or down on the thread itself. And the notion of anonymous up or down votes is an abomination. Every vote up or down should be user identified.
hightor
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 10:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I have argued for doing away with the up-vote/down-vote for years. Actually, I have no problem with voting up or down on comments...but there should not be up or down on the thread itself. And the notion of anonymous up or down votes is an abomination. Every vote up or down should be user identified.

Yup. What we are seeing here is someone successfully preventing certain posts being visible without members making the extra click to view them. Someone's obviously on a mission of some sort as it's only a few political threads where this effort is made. I don't know how difficult it would be to do away with the thumbs entirely but eliminating the threshold of visibility would make the reputation abuse moot. It's sort of funny — you just know the person doing this is a self-appointed defender of freedom and enemy of censorship!
Region Philbis
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 10:59 am
@hightor,
Quote:
someone successfully preventing certain posts being visible without members making the extra click to view them.
changing your preferences thusly will keep topics and posts visible regardless of number of downvotes...

https://iili.io/fNdllj.jpg
revelette3
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 11:20 am
@Region Philbis,
Excuse my ignorance but where is the place to find "Topic Preference?"
engineer
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 11:24 am
@revelette3,
Under MY ACCOUNT at the bottom, the middle selection is MY PREFERENCES. It is in the middle of that window.

This link might work https://able2know.org/account/preferences/
hightor
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 11:27 am
@engineer,
Thanks Region and engineer, I'd forgotten about that option. Too bad it can't be implemented universally.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 11:28 am
@engineer,
Thanks, I have a habit of ignoring things I am not focused on. Didn't know all that was there.
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snood
 
  5  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 04:41 pm
I’ve watched some of Merrick Garland’s confirmation hearing.
This is actually the first time I’ve heard the man speak - first time I’ve had a chance to get a good look at him. I suppose this is the case with most people, as he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be in the spotlight unless absolutely necessary.

I’m impressed by the man. It’s galling as hell to have to watch cretins like Ted Cruz ask him questions, but Garland’s answers were really reassuring. When he talks about his view of what the role of AG should be; when he talks about his upbringing and his immigrant parents - he just seems like a very thoughtful, very decent man. And when I realize that he was the one who prosecuted the Oklahoma City bomber, and combine that with how he expressed his intention to pursue all those who carried out the insurrection of 1/6/21 -I feel like Biden’s made a very solid choice.
snood
 
  3  
Mon 22 Feb, 2021 10:06 pm
@snood,
It’s too late to edit my last post, but it was Garland’s immigrant grandparents he referred to - not his parents, as I said in error.
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