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The Case For Biden

 
 
RABEL222
 
  3  
Mon 30 Nov, 2020 05:56 pm
If the supreme court reverses the vote and tries to install Trump as president I think ollie and the other nuts on this site will be very surprise that they get the revolution they have been fermenting for the last 12 years. They seem to think they are the only ones with guns or the ability to use them.
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Wed 2 Dec, 2020 11:13 am
I was right, people always tell you who they really are. They just can't help it.
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revelette3
 
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Wed 2 Dec, 2020 01:13 pm
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Maddow Blog | The Republican case against Neera Tanden crumbles under scrutiny

As President-elect Joe Biden gradually announces his cabinet selections, Republicans appear to have focused much of their enmity on one person: Neera Tanden. As the New York Times reported overnight:

Republicans said they were stunned by the selection of Ms. Tanden, whom many knew mainly as a hostile social media presence, to head the Office of Management and Budget. Even though many Republicans have refused to recognize Mr. Biden as the winner of the election, they said they were surprised that his team had not checked in with them on how they might react to her nomination to an agency that lawmakers in both parties see as critical when it comes to advancing congressional priorities.

Let's get a few things out of the way at the outset. First, the idea that Senate Republicans want Biden to consult with them on personnel decisions while many of them publicly maintain the fiction that his victory lacks legitimacy is completely bonkers.

Second, no one seems to have any concerns about Tanden's extensive qualifications and impressive background. Recent nominating fights have been over presidential choices who had no business being tapped for powerful and influential roles, but that's not the issue here.

And third, let there be no doubt that OMB matters -- a lot. As Mother Jones' Kevin Drum recently summarized, "The Office of Management and Budget is one of those agencies that's little known to the public but surprisingly important in real life. In addition to managing the budget process, it's also the agency that does things like regulatory review and cost-benefit analysis, which can make all the difference between environmental regulations succeeding or failing."

So, what's the problem? Over the last several days, Republicans have come up with a variety of complaints about Tanden, and they're so pitiful, I'm inclined to consider each of them one at a time:

* Tanden has published intemperate tweets. That's true, but if GOP senators are really concerned about those who publish intemperate tweets, I'd love to introduce them to Donald J. Trump, whose record of deranged tweets hasn't prevented Republicans from offering him sycophantic support for the last several years.

As President-elect Joe Biden gradually announces his cabinet selections, Republicans appear to have focused much of their enmity on one person: Neera Tanden. As the New York Times reported overnight:

Republicans said they were stunned by the selection of Ms. Tanden, whom many knew mainly as a hostile social media presence, to head the Office of Management and Budget. Even though many Republicans have refused to recognize Mr. Biden as the winner of the election, they said they were surprised that his team had not checked in with them on how they might react to her nomination to an agency that lawmakers in both parties see as critical when it comes to advancing congressional priorities.

Let's get a few things out of the way at the outset. First, the idea that Senate Republicans want Biden to consult with them on personnel decisions while many of them publicly maintain the fiction that his victory lacks legitimacy is completely bonkers.


Second, no one seems to have any concerns about Tanden's extensive qualifications and impressive background. Recent nominating fights have been over presidential choices who had no business being tapped for powerful and influential roles, but that's not the issue here.

And third, let there be no doubt that OMB matters -- a lot. As Mother Jones' Kevin Drum recently summarized, "The Office of Management and Budget is one of those agencies that's little known to the public but surprisingly important in real life. In addition to managing the budget process, it's also the agency that does things like regulatory review and cost-benefit analysis, which can make all the difference between environmental regulations succeeding or failing."

So, what's the problem? Over the last several days, Republicans have come up with a variety of complaints about Tanden, and they're so pitiful, I'm inclined to consider each of them one at a time:

* Tanden has published intemperate tweets. That's true, but if GOP senators are really concerned about those who publish intemperate tweets, I'd love to introduce them to Donald J. Trump, whose record of deranged tweets hasn't prevented Republicans from offering him sycophantic support for the last several years.

* Tanden is "overtly partisan." Perhaps, but the idea that the OMB director should be non-partisan is a standard that didn't exist up until a few days ago. As Jonathan Bernstein explained very well yesterday, "There hasn't been a non-partisan budget director since the Bureau of the Budget became OMB 50 years ago. The directors who haven't been politicians have usually been governing professionals, some with campaign experience and all with a consistent record of sticking with one political party. And rightly so. The job, one of the most important in the administration, consists of balancing the president's and the party's policy and political interests."

In fact, let's not lose sight of the fact that Donald Trump's current OMB director, Russell Vought, has been accurately described as "a political brawler." His predecessor was Mick Mulvaney, who was a fringe congressman -- and founder of the far-right House Freedom Caucus -- before joining Team Trump. But when Mulvaney's nomination reached the Senate, every Republican but one voted to confirm him, despite his role as an "overt partisan."

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MSNBC logoMaddow Blog | The Republican case against Neera Tanden crumbles under scrutiny

As President-elect Joe Biden gradually announces his cabinet selections, Republicans appear to have focused much of their enmity on one person: Neera Tanden. As the New York Times reported overnight:

Republicans said they were stunned by the selection of Ms. Tanden, whom many knew mainly as a hostile social media presence, to head the Office of Management and Budget. Even though many Republicans have refused to recognize Mr. Biden as the winner of the election, they said they were surprised that his team had not checked in with them on how they might react to her nomination to an agency that lawmakers in both parties see as critical when it comes to advancing congressional priorities.

Let's get a few things out of the way at the outset. First, the idea that Senate Republicans want Biden to consult with them on personnel decisions while many of them publicly maintain the fiction that his victory lacks legitimacy is completely bonkers.


Second, no one seems to have any concerns about Tanden's extensive qualifications and impressive background. Recent nominating fights have been over presidential choices who had no business being tapped for powerful and influential roles, but that's not the issue here.

And third, let there be no doubt that OMB matters -- a lot. As Mother Jones' Kevin Drum recently summarized, "The Office of Management and Budget is one of those agencies that's little known to the public but surprisingly important in real life. In addition to managing the budget process, it's also the agency that does things like regulatory review and cost-benefit analysis, which can make all the difference between environmental regulations succeeding or failing."

So, what's the problem? Over the last several days, Republicans have come up with a variety of complaints about Tanden, and they're so pitiful, I'm inclined to consider each of them one at a time:

* Tanden has published intemperate tweets. That's true, but if GOP senators are really concerned about those who publish intemperate tweets, I'd love to introduce them to Donald J. Trump, whose record of deranged tweets hasn't prevented Republicans from offering him sycophantic support for the last several years.

* Tanden is "overtly partisan." Perhaps, but the idea that the OMB director should be non-partisan is a standard that didn't exist up until a few days ago. As Jonathan Bernstein explained very well yesterday, "There hasn't been a non-partisan budget director since the Bureau of the Budget became OMB 50 years ago. The directors who haven't been politicians have usually been governing professionals, some with campaign experience and all with a consistent record of sticking with one political party. And rightly so. The job, one of the most important in the administration, consists of balancing the president's and the party's policy and political interests."

In fact, let's not lose sight of the fact that Donald Trump's current OMB director, Russell Vought, has been accurately described as "a political brawler." His predecessor was Mick Mulvaney, who was a fringe congressman -- and founder of the far-right House Freedom Caucus -- before joining Team Trump. But when Mulvaney's nomination reached the Senate, every Republican but one voted to confirm him, despite his role as an "overt partisan."

* Tanden is "nutjob." That was the label Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) used to describe Tanden this week. Of course, the last person Graham described as a "nutjob" was Donald Trump. If recent history repeats itself, it suggests the South Carolina Republican will spend the next several years carrying Tanden's golf clubs.

* Tanden has been mean to Republicans. That's true, too, but Trump's current OMB director "spent much of his past 15 years in Washington ... waging war against GOP leadership."

* Tanden is an "activist." That was the label Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.) used to describe her, but again, Russell Vought, before joining the Trump administration, helped lead Heritage Action, a far-right activist organization.

* Tanden is "one of the architects of ObamaCare." This was a complaint raised by Nikki Haley this morning, for reasons unknown. To the extent that reality still has meaning, the Affordable Care Act is a popular and successful piece of legislation, and Tanden's role in helping shape it speaks to her qualifications.

If Republicans are serious about making the case against Tanden's nomination, they'll have to do better than this.


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snood
 
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Thu 3 Dec, 2020 06:36 am
Biden considering Lisa Monaco and Sally Yates for AG

The more I look at Sally Yates’ career, the more I think she would be a fantastic pick for AG. Twenty-seven years service in the Dept of Justice, and not just being there, but carrying substantial responsibilities like overseeing over 100,000 employees. Most people that recognize her face and name do so because of the way she strongly opposed Trump’s Muslim ban, and brought Michael Flynn’s lying and double dealing to the attention of the Trump administration.
I think she has the moral compass and strength of character that would be necessary to take the reins of a Justice Department riddled by corruption and neglect.

Lisa Monaco also appears to have solid credentials. I just don’t know enough about her to have an informed opinion about whether she’d be an effective AG in post-Trump DC.
Brand X
 
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Wed 9 Dec, 2020 08:55 am
Eric Lipton
@EricLiptonNYT
· 2h
NEW: Raytheon makes missiles, jet engines, weapons defense systems & electron surveillance equipment, etc. It sells billions of $$$s a year to the Pentagon. Now a member of Raytheon board is slated to take over as Secretary of Defense in Biden era https://nyti.ms/36Z8y3U
snood
 
  3  
Wed 9 Dec, 2020 09:10 am
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Eric Lipton
@EricLiptonNYT
· 2h
NEW: Raytheon makes missiles, jet engines, weapons defense systems & electron surveillance equipment, etc. It sells billions of $$$s a year to the Pentagon. Now a member of Raytheon board is slated to take over as Secretary of Defense in Biden era https://nyti.ms/36Z8y3U


I understand the concern about possible conflicts of interest. But I don’t think those kinds of conflicts ( the worst possible scenario I can conjure is the SecDef being biased toward one weapons system over another).
The purpose - the mission of the Department of Defense is to make and maintain our military as the most formidable on the planet. The SecDef needs to be someone who can make that happen, all while keeping the well-being and effectiveness of military personnel top priority. Lloyd Austin is a leader with 40 years of service; calm under fire - a steady hand at the wheel of our national defense; someone Biden has confidence in from working with him in the past.
revelette3
 
  3  
Wed 9 Dec, 2020 10:05 am
Biden agriculture pick to reassure farmers, disappoint activists
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 10 Dec, 2020 07:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
McGentrix wrote:
Yes it is intentional because we have a Federal government and not a Democracy. The 50 US states are sovereign and because of that we do not allow for a populous vote to elect the President.

Don't you guys know these things?


So, what's your thought on the Texas lawsuit?
farmerman
 
  5  
Thu 10 Dec, 2020 09:39 am
@DrewDad,
Its a Dem Republic, McG is just trying to split meanings.
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Brand X
 
  3  
Thu 10 Dec, 2020 01:02 pm
@snood,
SecDef is supposed to be a civilian post or someone who has been out of the military for 7 years, which he is neither.

Hopefully he doesn't see war everywhere he looks, but my feeling is hot spots are going to get hotter than they did under Trump.
snood
 
  4  
Thu 10 Dec, 2020 03:10 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

SecDef is supposed to be a civilian post or someone who has been out of the military for 7 years, which he is neither.

Hopefully he doesn't see war everywhere he looks, but my feeling is hot spots are going to get hotter than they did under Trump.


As I’ve discussed on another thread, that seven years is a totally arbitrary metric. I don’t think anyone can accurately say how well a career soldier would serve in a civilian leadership role, whether he’s been out for three years or twenty.
Austin is someone Biden has had the opportunity to see make pressure decisions and he feels confident in him. I don’t have any reason to doubt the man - certainly not because waiving the number of years retired breaks with tradition.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 12 Dec, 2020 08:33 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
Lisa Monaco also appears to have solid credentials. I just don't know enough about her to have an informed opinion about whether she'd be an effective AG in post-Trump DC.

Isn't she the one who incinerated American hostages in a dronestrike?
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revelette3
 
  5  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 10:03 am
@oralloy,
Do you think Trump's Justices just joined in with democrats and should be outlawed right along with them when they basically rejected the right wing conspiracy theory of a stolen election? Not to mention all the other Trump appointed republican justices on all these lawsuits brought by Trump and various republicans?
farmerman
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 04:55 pm
@revelette3,
STAND BACK, his heads gonna go off!!!.

WOMEN AND CHILDREN To the bunker
oralloy
 
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Sat 12 Dec, 2020 06:00 pm
@farmerman,
You can always tell when a subject is too advanced for Farmerman to handle.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 06:09 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
Do you think Trump's Justices just joined in with democrats and should be outlawed right along with them when they basically rejected the right wing conspiracy theory of a stolen election? Not to mention all the other Trump appointed republican justices on all these lawsuits brought by Trump and various republicans?

The direct answer to your question is: I'm not sure how a person could be outlawed.

Besides that, I don't see the rejection of the lawsuits as too significant. The Biden Administration is still illegitimate and will be opposed by the American people.

Also, Congress now has the right to reject the Biden slate of electors from Wisconsin. IMO the Republicans should vote to do so.
farmerman
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 07:55 pm
@oralloy,
many people, when faced with facts, will still find a way to deny reality.
Just refer back to Ollies above post .
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Dec, 2020 12:12 am
@farmerman,
You cannot provide any examples of me ever denying reality. Not in that post, and not in any other.
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