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Charleston Church Massacre: Thug, Terrorism, Disturbed Loner?

 
 
Banana Breath
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 11:26 am
@Ionus,
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The collective, which you call the state, kills people every day for economic reasons.

This is correct. In the US, the government IS the people, by-of-for the people, officially. And dealing in death is an inevitable part of the operation of a nation. As pointed out, the government is constantly weighing human life against other factors. The US's own Centers for Disease control states that
480,000 people are killed per year by cigarettes. (reference below)
But avoidable deaths aren't the only concern of the government; individual liberties are as well, so smoking remains legal despite the dangers.
Many thousands more will die from starvation, lack of shelter, serving as soldiers, police or firefighters... Human deaths are part of the calculus of running a country. There's no question that governments can and will take lives, and there's no reason that convicted murderers should be exempt from the equations.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 01:18 pm
@Banana Breath,
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There's no question that governments can and will take lives

Deaths happening while there is a government does not equal the government taking lives.

Are you at least of high school age, cause this is middle school level logic.
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 02:54 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

We have a society where the weak are locked up in their own homes and the criminals are free . THAT is the damage done by failing to administer justice when the criminals are caught .


Having gone through the Boston Bombers trial over a very extended period of time and finally seeing that in the end the bomber will be put to death ( after about 10-20 years of appeals by his lawyers), I've come to the following conclusion.

Where the evidence is undeniable that the individual, in question, is guilty of the crime of murder such as the Boston bombing situation or in the recent murder of nine innocents in a Church in SC, the killer once caught, and tried in Court should be put to death without any appeal being available.

Jack Ruby , as some of us may recall, gave instant justice to Oswald, following the assination of President Kennedy. No trial for Oswald was held, no appeals were heard. Ruby swiftly ended the life of Oswald-the-killer of our dearly beloved US president, an event that was recorded on American TV, for all to see.

No tax payer money was wasted on Oswald and no further sorrow was inflicted on the Kennedy family or the American public.

Jack Ruby did the American public and the Kennedy family a giant favor.

Justice was served and one may say, that this justice was indeed a justice in the very truest biblical sense.




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Banana Breath
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 03:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Deaths happening while there is a government does not equal the government taking lives.

You obviously haven't a clue about what "responsibility" means. When a government orders young people into the army and then orders them into the line of the fire, it is responsible for their deaths. And only a government can make the decisions about whether or not guns, cigarettes, drugs and other such things will be legal or not, and as such the government bears partial responsibility whether through its action or through its inaction. There are also long established laws applying to individuals that establish the same types of responsibility. If for instance you place a loaded gun in front of a known suicidal person, you can and will be prosecuted, even though you didn't pull the trigger to kill them.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 06:27 pm
How to be a responsible white person in the aftermath of the Charleston Massacre

1. Don't Reinforce The Mental Illness Or "Loner" Narrative.
Racism is not a mental health condition

2. Learn About The History Of The AME.
Quote:
Emanuel AME isn’t just a church; it’s the oldest black congregation in the South (outside of Baltimore) and a historic symbol of black resistance to slavery and racism. Its founder, Morris Brown, was one of the first ordained pastors of the AME denomination, founded in 1816 in Philadelphia.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/06/emanuel_ame_church_has_long_history_of_resistance_to_racism_the_charleston.html

3. Reject The Notion That The Attack Was Part Of A War On Christianity.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHzbyT6XAAA5-wd.png
Map of churches in the neighborhood that were not targeted

4. Dispel The Myth That More Guns Solve Problems.
Quote:
The NRA released a statement condemning Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor and once state senator, for voting for stricter gun laws. The organization argued that if the congregation had a gun, then the victims could have shot back at Roof, and might still be alive. Let's be clear: placing guns in spiritual sanctuaries -- that are supposed to be safe -- will not eradicate our country's race problem.


5. Remember The Names Of The Victims.
DePayne Middleton-Doctor, Cynthia Hurd, Susie Jackson, Ethel Lance, Clementa Pinckney, Tywanza Sanders, Daniel Simmons, Sharonda Coleman-Singleton and Myra Thompson.

6. Understand the History Connected To Terrorism On Black Churches.
The Charleston Shooting Is Part of an Unspoken History of Terror in Black Churches
http://mic.com/articles/120941/charleston-church-shooting-ame-racism


7. Connect To The Black Lives Matter Movement.
Realize that this tragedy is part of a larger system that devalues black lives. Read more. Pay attention. Have compassion. Speak up.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 06:37 pm
@panzade,
Thanks for getting us back on track.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 07:50 pm
@panzade,
You know, every so often we get a piece of writing like that that keeps me interested in what A2k still has to offer.
EXCELLENT writing there pan. You should submit that so the larger population could appreciate it.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 09:08 pm
@farmerman,
Racism and unjustified white guilt is what it was.

Responsible behavior from white people after charleston:

Decry all unnecessary taking of life, and encourage debate and democratic action to solve the problems of the day.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 11:46 pm
Is extreme racism a mental health condition?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071634/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 12:04 am
@Miller,
Is not loving the people you are told to love a mental health condition? Well, the Soviets thought so.....
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 11:20 am
@farmerman,
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EXCELLENT writing there pan.

Not mine.
I cobbled it together from different sites.

Got tired of all the off-topic posts about McVeigh, Jack Ruby, the Boston Bombers and all the other efforts to avoid talking about the problem of racism in this country
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 11:50 am
@panzade,
well then, you have very good summary- organizational skills.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 12:19 pm
There is no doubt that this guy will pay with his life and freedom. How the courts define things may alter some of the proceedings, but he will never be in society again. What concerns me is the loosening of the laws meant to help control racists. You cannot instill love in somebody that doesn't want to love, but laws can control many of their deeds. Many politicians are at the forefront of said loosening and the media too. Allowing racist police officers to brutalize black citizens is another equal concern. The less society fights racism, the bolder the racists will become. Too many people try to believe we have moved beyond institutionalized racism, but it is not so.
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Banana Breath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 01:11 pm
@panzade,
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Got tired of all the off-topic posts about McVeigh, Jack Ruby, the Boston Bombers and all the other efforts to avoid talking about the problem of racism in this country

It's not off topic to relate a racist killer's actions to other similar killings and their outcomes; if we limit discussion to only
"Wasn't it terrible, yes it was terrible, (wring hands, repeat)"
then there really isn't any point to having a discussion board with a text-entry space. Instead you could have a format where you say "Wasn't this terrible?" and a checkbox for people who agree. And to avoid "off topic" responses, you don't provide a checkbox for those who don't agree.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 03:14 pm
@Banana Breath,
Banana Breath wrote:

Quote:
Got tired of all the off-topic posts about McVeigh, Jack Ruby, the Boston Bombers and all the other efforts to avoid talking about the problem of racism in this country

It's not off topic to relate a racist killer's actions to other similar killings and their outcomes; if we limit discussion to only
"Wasn't it terrible, yes it was terrible, (wring hands, repeat)"
then there really isn't any point to having a discussion board with a text-entry space. Instead you could have a format where you say "Wasn't this terrible?" and a checkbox for people who agree. And to avoid "off topic" responses, you don't provide a checkbox for those who don't agree.



What they have to do with this thread as like with Roof's evil acts they are all used as justification for the collective to attempt to control the thoughts of individuals. As always " SAFETY!" is used to justify removal of individual rights. What is being removed presently is the right to our own mind, and the right to speak our own mind. The collective demands that it has the right to issue scripts and have given us the choice to either read them or keep quiet, with no other options. We have gone so far as to start to make this part of the criminal code, through "hate crime" law. Soon enough the "bad" speech will in and of itself be a crime. We have already pretty much done this, as we see when people who use "bad" speech are prosecuted after other people take their own lives, allegedly because of the bad speech, as if the dead person had no control over their own actions.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 08:28 pm
@Miller,
Perhaps extremism in any area, including greenism, is a mental health condition .
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 09:00 pm
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Owner of NFL’s Carolina Panthers to pay for funerals of the nine victims in Charleston church massacre
BY Andy Clayton /
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS/
Saturday, June 20, 2015

The owner of the NFL's Carolina Panthers is paying for the funeral costs of the nine victims killed in Wednesday's church massacre in Charleston.

Jerry Richardson detailed his donation in a letter that was shared via social media by Bakari Sellers, a democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives.

"Please accept the enclosed check from the Carolina Panthers in the amount of $100,000 to provide $10,000 per family to help defray funeral costs and other financial needs of each," Richardson's letter read, "and $10,000 for the church as a memorial honoring the victims. Our hearts are one with those who grieve the loss of these individuals."

A spokesperson for the Panthers didn't want to comment on the specifics of the donation, the Charlotte Observer reported.

Dylann Roof, 21, is charged with the murder of nine black people in a historic Charleston church - the Emanuel AME Church - on Wednesday night. Roof, who was arrested Thursday in North Carolina, told police he hoped his mass murder would spark a race war.

"But know our hearts are one with those who grieve the loss of these individuals," Steven Drummond wrote in a text message to the newspaper.

"Just so happy to give a voice and help facilitate," Rep. Sellers wrote in a followup tweet. "Thank you thank you to the Carolina Panthers and owner Jerry Richardson."

Dylann Roof, 21, is charged with the murder of nine black people in a historic Charleston church - the Emanuel AME Church - on Wednesday night. Roof, who was arrested Thursday in North Carolina, told police he hoped his mass murder would spark a race war.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/owner-nfl-panthers-pay-funerals-9-victims-article-1.2265210
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 09:04 pm
@firefly,
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Dylann Roof, 21, is charged with the murder of nine black people in a historic Charleston church

No, he wasnt . He was charged with the murder of nine people .
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 09:07 pm
@firefly,
Thanks for that news. Heh, I knew I liked them.
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Banana Breath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 10:10 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Perhaps extremism in any area, including greenism, is a mental health condition.

And extreme leftism, political correctism, and grammar policeism.
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