IS IT GETTING MEAN AROUND HERE??

But if the lowbrow leftists* succeed in shutting down all intelligent discussion, that will amplify the boredom.


*I do not mean to say that all leftists are lowbrows. Rather I mean that there are some leftists who also happen to be lowbrows, and these people are wrecking a2k with their childish name-calling. I assure those leftists who do not engage in childish name-calling that I am not talking about them.

I'm not denying your initial statement is appropriate..

I am not a deceitful individual, Timur.

I am a person of character. (Look it up in a dictionary.)

The reason we are not debating properly, respectfully, and intelligently...is because you have this bug up your ass about me...and instead of actually discussing things with me, you enter threads just to insult me.

No problem.

I enjoy insulting you in return.

Be careful Frank, don't forget that DJOO7 and the tough guys have arrived. We've been warned, they are from another Forum, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

See? You have the bigger dick syndrome, it shows in every one of your posts.

You are far from being a decent person with some character.

If you were, you wouldn't go around telling others that you know what they think and what they believe.

Don't lecture me about dictionaries. My semantic constructions may be be erroneous but I know words you never dreamed about.

You are an arrogant little ****.

Timur...go crawl back under that rock you hide under after you start one of these things for no reason...

...and I bloody you up in return.

Or stick around. You've got lots more blood to shed.

Yeah, bigger dick..

I guess that makes you feel better to think that.

But I am not the guy coming into thread after thread to say, "I don't like you" the way you do.

You function like a high schooler, Timur. But you are entertaining. I love ya!

Your judgement about my behavior is of little import as it's crap like you always utter.

At least you are right at one point: you are not a likable person.

Stop being an arrogant little ****.

I am not the guy coming into thread after thread to say, "I don't like you" the way you do, Timur.

You function like a grammar school delinquent.

But you are more entertaining than you can imagine.

I love ya!

Have you any experience of grammar school delinquents?

You pretentiousness knows no bounds.

Now you pretend to know the shortcomings of my imagination!

How can you possibly know that, arrogant little prick?

I am not the guy coming into thread after thread to say, "I don't like you" the way you do, Timur.

You function like a kindergartener in a sandbox.

But you are more entertaining than you can imagine.

I love ya!

Another of your tricks to avoid facing life, arrogant little prick?

I am not the guy coming into thread after thread to say, "I don't like you" the way you do, Timur.

You function like a pre-kindergartener in a sandbox.

But you are more entertaining than you can imagine.

I love ya!

Throwing a tantrum, or missing words, Frank?

How puerile is that?

Hawkeye engages in personal attacks all the time. He's doing it right now in another thread on this board, on essentially this same topic.
He just made this comment to jcboy:

He then made this comment to bobsal u1553115:


Hawkeye is not only not an example of respect and civility in discourse, he is constantly denigrating other posters whether on a directly personal level, as the above examples illustrate, or indirectly by his often offensive and bigoted language choices (his calling people "cunts" "niggers" "fags", etc.), or his inaccurate negative stereotyping of groups, which insults, quite gratuitously, many posters who happen to be gay, people of color, or female, and offhand, I can't think of any other posters at A2K who constantly refer to others by using these types of offensive slurs and stereotypes. Hawkeye relishes his meanness in that regard, he likes to shove it in people's faces, it's part of what he sees as his freedom to express himself, regardless of who it hurts--this is all about his particular style of masculine swaggering, and his personal need to express his aggression and contempt for those who don't share or support his views.

Hawkeye is one of the least tolerant posters around A2K, and his essentially contemptuous attitudes provoke other posters into responding with their own attacks. He's set and continued a negative tone that has corroded the quality and level of discussion at this site as surely as if it was being affected by a disease.

Why you feel the need to set up some sort of dichotomy, or needless comparison, between Hawkeye and izzythepush is not really clear, but in doing so you are contributing to the personal nastiness and interpersonal conflicts on this site. Is this your underhanded way of stirring up more dissension between posters, while appearing to be "civil" and ostensibly keeping your own hands clean?



For someone who bemoans nastiness and name-calling and lack of civility you certainly let it flourish rather blatantly all around you, since you were nowhere to be heard voicing opposition when nononono was effectively trashing this site with numerous personal attack/rant threads and numerous offensive personal attacks/rants in other threads, including threads you were otherwise involved in---rants that had no rational basis in a difference of ideas, but rather were based on nononono's emotional intolerance for any criticism of his views, and their often flagrant distortions, and his excessive need to aggressively personally attack and demean others who didn't support him, or that he just didn't like, often completely disrupting a thread in the process. Why weren't you standing up to this uncivil behavior--why weren't you practicing what you preach?

As long as nononono seemed to be supporting men's rights, and attacking feminism, positions you basically agree with, you apparently didn't care what sort of disruptive havoc he created or the personal meanness he generated and fostered on this site. And that's true in the case of Hawkeye as well--you fail to see his meanness, and his contempt for others, or you deny it, because you feel a similar kinship with him on the issue of women/feminism. So, when you talk about standing up to uncivil behavior, I find you to be blatantly hypocritical and quite phony.

It's not only gotten meaner around here, it's also gotten very boring and repetitious. Even you keep starting more threads on the same issues. This current thread, for instance, is another rehash of this one of yours...
http://able2know.org/topic/265833-1

Just admonishing posters to "play nicely" with each other, which is your current goody-two shoes mantra, won't help to improve anything. We have very few people left here with anything new or fresh in the way of ideas to discuss, and too many who simply want a platform for their preconceived positions rather than a real interchange of ideas, so we get people divided into camps, and reiterating entrenched opinions, without much intellectual movement, insight, or gain in the discussions. Unless the site manages to attract more new blood, more interested in gaining understanding than winning an argument, or a pissing contest, I see a downward slide of A2K continuing to get worse because the positive sense of community, which was the glue that originally held this place together, is almost gone now, and I can't see it likely to re-bloom any time soon. When people stop being a community, and stop essentially caring about each other, is when they start getting meaner, and that's the unfortunate transformation I've seen going on at A2K.

Firefly, I think we just stumbled into a pissing contest. No wonder Farmerman is taking a break.

Possibly one of the best posts I've read in ages.

So you say, over and over again, even after it is pointed out to you that you are ignoring the context of my contributions here. I am constantly talking about language, openness, truth, the triumph of victim culture, the closed American mind, PC degradation of language, the lack of freedom to disagree with the groupthink, and my life long conviction that we need to be able to talk about anything....that talking is not doing, words should never be a crime.

But you ignore all that because it is not convenient and you are absolutely allegic to the truth when it is not convenient. All you can do is respond with "BAD WORDS MUST BE PUNISHED!" as if we are in kindergarten and you are our teacher. We are not, and you are not.

Which is pretty much exactly what I told Robert years ago. He then told me that a community is not necessary, that he was after defined tech metrics which he expected would drive profits. But here is the thing, from my vantage point it looks like the health of the community has gotten better recently. I am not convinced that death is upon us. Robert took my advice to leave the place alone, that more tinkering, more disruption would not be good for us, and he has let us try to figure this out for ourselves. I am not today sure that we cant.