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IS IT GETTING MEAN AROUND HERE??

 
 
timur
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 02:47 pm
Frank wrote:
.I am inviting you to take this pissing contest you started over to my thread

I'm not acceding to your desiderata.

We can do it here.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 02:50 pm
@farmerman,
Thank you, FM.

I've transferred the posts...and will not comment to him here again. If he wants to choose one of his posts for the transfers, I'll agree to that.
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timur
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 02:53 pm
Frank wrote:
and will not comment to him here again.

You are such a liar..
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 02:54 pm
At least it hasn't got this mean.

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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 03:03 pm
Another day and another oil tank full of absurdity along with more lies, name calling and lightly varnished idiocy. The thread could have been, should have been. As it stands it several times over demonstrates why the site is so screwed up at present.

Best of luck in your continued nonsense. For now at least, I'm out (please hold the applause and happy dancing until I sign off).

To those who matter (you know who you are) stay strong and maintain your truth no matter how much guff is tossed in.
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 03:17 pm
@Sturgis,
C'mon Sturgis..stick around and don't pay attention to the riff-raff.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 03:25 pm
@Sturgis,
Quote:
To those who matter


exactly the point, for too many people here basic human decency and respect for most is a bridge too far, that is reserved for people who give voice to the "right" thoughts only. People know then they are being treated as throw away, and they they tend to do it too. It is a disease, and A2K has a bad case of it.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 08:24 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:
Can you give us a valid 9/11 related reason as to why you went and invaded Iraq in the first place?

I can tell you why I supported the invasion. I have no idea if it was a "valid" reason (likely not), but it worked for me.

A large number of Muslims and radical Leftists were delighted over the 9/11 attacks.

These very same Muslims and radical Leftists were subsequently apoplectic over our invasion of Iraq.

You have no idea how much of a joy it was to listen to all their helpless whining when we smashed up Iraq. I found it very cathartic.

I get similar joy today when I listen to the little scumbags whine about DroneStrikes and Guantanamo.

No offense intended towards anyone who was not delighted over 9/11 but does oppose the Iraq invasion and/or DroneStrikes and/or Guantanamo (although I do find opposition to DroneStrikes and/or Guantanamo to be unreasonable).

---

If you'd like a geopolitical reason, our troops were in Saudi Arabia to protect the kingdom from Saddam. This was driving a lot of recruits to al-Qa'ida because Saudi Arabia is also the place where the Muslims have their holy sites, but we couldn't easily leave because the Saudis were insisting that we stay and protect them.

Toppling Saddam allowed us to pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia without the Saudis whining that we had to stay and keep protecting them.

I have no idea if this was actually on any government minds when we did the invasion. It has certainly never been presented as a reason (to my knowledge).

It's a pretty good reason though. Look at the way the Saudis are pouting these days because they don't think we are doing enough to protect them from Iran (even though they don't seem to care what we think when it comes to democracy in the Missle East).

That "d" and "s" key are right next to each other aren't they? I think I'll leave it as "Missle East". It seems fitting.

Anyway, the Saudi rulers seem to think that we should simply give our lives to protect them and otherwise keep quiet about our opinions, and if Saddam had remained in power they would have insisted that we keep troops in Saudi Arabia. We would likely still have troops there today, with al-Qa'ida still using our presence there as a tool for gaining new recruits.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 01:16 pm
A new phenomenon (apparently) is that on some threads, all the posts get systematically thumbed down by some "phantom thumb bum", probably as an attempt to kick down these entire threads. It's no big deal but if true, it makes a mockery of the thumb feature, and of A2K as a open place to share ideas.

I think A2K should add to members' profile the total number of thumbs down and up of each poster. That would be informative re. a poster's negative or positive attitude to the site. What do you all think?
thack45
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 04:24 pm
I think a post could be down voted (for whatever reason that might be beneficial to the site) without a negative number showing next to it. It does the forum no good at all to show post after post of -2, -5... between the thumbs
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 07:57 pm
@thack45,
Quote:
show post after post of -2, -5
You're talking about me again . The older you are the more it hurts to take on new ideas . I regard my high negative thumbeded downeded to be a reflection of scaring old farts into a new view of the world . That'll keep them alive longer then anything else . 'Cause they forget their medication .
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:20 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I think A2K should add to members' profile the total number of thumbs down and up of each poster. That would be informative re. a poster's negative or positive attitude to the site. What do you all think?


great idea, as who is voting matters. I think what it would tell us is that most of the voting is being done by the bored and the lonely. Better yet, do what I said a long time ago and disable the entire popularity metric system. I was always a bad idea.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 12:16 am
@hawkeye10,
I have no problem with the thumb feature, it spices things up a bit. But I'd love to see more transparency to stop or spot the abusers.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 01:21 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Better yet, do what I said a long time ago and disable the entire popularity metric system.


The thumbs up/down feature has nothing whatsoever to do with the metric system. Try not to package up your prejudices, it only makes sense to you.


hawkeye10 wrote:
I was always a bad idea.


Agreed.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 08:23 am
@Olivier5,
I'm fine with the way the thumb system is, even though it is prone to abuse from time to time.

Someone who thumbs down like the recent "good thread" zero-er is quite rare, some kind of basket case on wheels.
I've been followed and thumbed down by someone or someones who don't like my views, which is, y'know, tacky, but so it goes.

We tend to use the post thumbing system differently.
I thumb up posts that took effort: finding and providing interesting links related to the discussion, posting photographs, well written opinions (sometimes ones I don't concur with). I don't always do this, just sometimes. I thumb up for funny fairly often. I try not to thumb down for disagreement, either argue or let it be.

I do thumb down sometimes for poor internet behavior, blasting other people with insults, especially repetitively, but I'm inconsistent on that, and tend to have put those folks on ignore, or ignore anyway sans ignore button, or guiltily agree with the blaster and let it go.

Once in a while I'll see some advice as very ill advised, possibly/probably harmful if followed, usually to do with health or relationships - I will thumb down the worst of those, or speak up and argue.

On being the process being transparent, that would change the dynamic a lot and could be for the better or maybe a lot worse. I think most are bright enough to figure out that a fair amount of thumbs down re posts on threads are for disagreement and some for dislike. Would knowing who did it make you/us feel all better?
Better to slough the dandruff off your shoulders.

I'm no saint, as most of us know, so this post isn't from some high place as wise, just my thinking on the question.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 03:18 pm
@ossobuco,
I'm ok with thumbing within limits.

If the profile counted only the TOTAL thumbs up and the TOTAL thumbs down over a certain period, and NOT saying who thumbs whom, i assume the numbers would form two Gauss curves with most posters in the middle, and some outliers. If it turned out that a particular poster thumbed some other (unknown) posters 10 or 20 times more often than average, i think it would mean something about this poster, in terms of overall nastiness.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 03:57 pm
@Olivier5,
I get your point but I think that's private, which I get is a vaporous idea at this point.

On the other hand, someone could work up a thesis on it.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:59 am
@ossobuco,
Quote:
On the other hand, someone could work up a thesis on it.

:-)

As it turns out, someone has:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/when-trolls-come-out-under-their-bridges-its-bad-news-scientific-discourse
thack45
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 07:34 am
@Olivier5,
Science news? You are a f*@king moron if you read that sh*t! You're also probably a left-wing, freedom hating, liberal media watching, nobama supporting pig!! I pressed the mouse button so hard when I thumbed you down too, you socialist dirtbag!
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 07:53 am
@thack45,
"Jane, you ignorant slut!"

(where is that clip?)
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