Passenger Plane Crashes in French Alps.

@Ionus,

The word that catches my attention is "burnout', which is apparently a term he used when speaking about himself. Burned out at 27?, and only 630 hours into his chosen profession? Are we dealing with a malingerer here?

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A Swedish study published in the psychiatry journal The Lancet found that 3.7 percent of men and 0.5 percent of women committed a violent crime after being identified as clinically depressed. In the general population, these numbers were at 1.2 percent for men and 0.2 percent for women. The researchers had looked at the medical records and conviction rates of roughly 47,000 people diagnosed with depression over a period of about three years and compared them with the records of more than 898,000 people without diagnosed depression (report at The Guardian)

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A study based on more than 47,000 people in Sweden, emphasised that the overwhelming majority of depressed people are neither violent nor criminal and should not be stigmatised.

“One important finding was that the vast majority of depressed people were not convicted of violent crimes, and that the rates ... are below those for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and considerably lower than for alcohol or drug abuse,” said Seena Fazel, who led the study at University of Oxford’s psychiatry department.

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@hawkeye10,

I was thinking it is common for abused children later in life to suddenly develop problems for which they may not know why they feel the way they do .

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All this talk of trying to make sure it doesnt happen again by legislating...
What about trains ? Buses ? Trucks transporting hazardous materials ? Inspectors of water quality ? People who work at Nuclear Reactors ? Ship Captains and crew ?
The list of ways of taking lives is near endless if you want others to go with you .

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@Ionus,

That's one of the reasons why I referred to the Sierre coach crash earlier.

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@Ionus,

This happened because we tried to make sure 9/11 never happens again let's not forget......

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@hawkeye10,

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This happened because we tried to make sure 9/11 never happens again let's not forget......

That's how it's always been done: a security problem or loophole is found, is plugged, until another one is found. Sometimes, as here, the solution to the previous problem created another potential issue, but I still think that the remedy (locked cockpit doors) was useful and remains useful... They're not going back to open cockpits.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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the Sierre coach crash

What was that about ?

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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This happened because we tried to make sure 9/11 never happens again let's not forget......

That's how it's always been done: a security problem or loophole is found, is plugged, until another one is found. Sometimes, as here, the solution to the previous problem created another potential issue, but I still think that the remedy (locked cockpit doors) was useful and remains useful... They're not going back to open cockpits.

And now on short flights cockpit crew can not leave so they will be running dehydrated and women are going to have to pee in a bag in front of men. Great.

Long flights are now going to have to call the reserve pilot out of their rest time to come up to sub for a bathroom break.

The workday just got less pleasant, civilization just went in reverse.

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@hawkeye10,

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The workday just got less pleasant, civilization just went in reverse.

Nobody said this was a 'pleasant' story.

What do you propose we do? Put the whole thing on autopilot from take off to landing?

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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the Sierre coach crash
What was that about ?

There's a wikipedia article about it.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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The workday just got less pleasant, civilization just went in reverse.

Nobody said this was a 'pleasant' story.

What do you propose we do? Put the whole thing on autopilot from take off to landing?

" you cant trust anyone" is the road to ruin, as the terrorists know. Every time we go that way we have lost.

Pilot mass murderers are very rare, so lets keep a sense of proportion. I could see see more head monitoring of pilots by tests and shrinks. The US Military has been over the last few years trying to teach resilience to the troops, if that sort of thing works then we could do it here.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

And now on short flights cockpit crew can not leave so they will be running dehydrated and women are going to have to pee in a bag in front of men. Great.

No! The men will not become dehydrated, they'll merely pee in an empty Coke can and possibly drink it!

The women won't pee in a BAG...They'll wear adult diapers and when necessary, they'll just toss the soiled diapers into the corner, where all the dirty urine contaminated Coke cans are.

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@Miller,

What a ray of sunshine!

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Meanwhile, forensic teams have identified 78 distinct DNA strands from body parts spread across the remote mountainside in the French Alps where the Germanwings flight crashed, killing all 150 people on board.

Until now, only the empty casing of the flight data recorder ("black box") has been found.
German and European pilots’ associations both urged caution in stating the cause of the crash until the second black box is discovered and the air accident investigation is brought to a conclusion.

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In Montabaur, where Lubitz lived part of the time with his father, mother and younger brother, prayers were said on Sunday for the victims of the crash, and for the co-pilot and his grieving family. Hundreds of worshippers packed into St Peter’s Catholic church on the town’s cobbled main street, on a morning of pouring rain.

Many there believed that investigators had been too quick to blame Lubitz for the disaster. Candles and flowers have been left outside the church, and one note read: “We think of all victims of this tragic crash, and their families and friends, in these difficult hours.”

The priest expressed sympathy for Lubitz’s parents whom, he said, had found themselves “at the centre of attention”, the families and friends of the victims, and the rescue workers in France.

Source

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@Walter Hinteler,

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German and European pilots’ associations both urged caution in stating the cause of the crash until the second black box is discovered and the air accident investigation is brought to a conclusion.

Which is ridiculous because we have audio of the captain trying to get in and we have proof that the killer programed the plane to crash from signals sent from the plane in real time.

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@hawkeye10,

I'm not a flight accident expert. But if you're correct, why, do you think, do they still search for the second black box?
From above quoted source:

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Jean-Pierre Michel, the head of the French investigation agency, said that some technical details of what precisely happened to the Airbus A320 aircraft were still missing. “At the moment we can’t rule out the hypothesis of a technical fault,” Michel told the French channel BFM TV.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

we have proof that the killer programed the plane to crash from signals sent from the plane in real time.

Can you give a link for that proof? I really thought that they didn't have found the second black box until now - watched live tv from there only minutes ago.
(And who is "we" here?)

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@Walter Hinteler,

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At the moment we can’t rule out the hypothesis of a technical fault,”

Which would go something like this

FO locks the captain out
FO falls unconscious
Plane reprograms itself to crash

Ya, I think it is safe to rule out that series of events before we find the other black box. And by the way the survivability of that box is iffy. There is a reason why the bodies are smashed to smithereens and are mostly gone.

I am usually on board requests to not rush to judgement but not here, we have enough evidence to conclude beyond all reasonable doubt that the FO is a killer.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Transponder data shows the autopilot on the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps was reprogrammed to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet.

This comes after the voice recorder shows the co-pilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit.

Prosecutors say it's clear that the act was intentional.

http://www.wkow.com/story/28628114/2015/03/27/data-shows-autopilot-was-reprogrammed-on-germanwings-flight

Airbuses are designed to fly themselves, I have no doubt that the plane tells the ground a great deal of information about what it is doing in real time.

Interesting side here: why didnt the killer manually drive the plane into the ground? My bet is that he was too chickenshit, that he reprogrammed the plane to crash then took some drug to pass out. We will never know though.

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