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Passenger Plane Crashes in French Alps.

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:41 am
@Ionus,
Airbus is a European company. True that the French have a lot of control over it. We basically designed the whole thing.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:44 am
Given the choice I'd rather be an innocent man awaiting a trial in a cell in France than in America.

And it's not like Australia is guilt free (or the UK for that matter) so lets stick to the topic instead of going off on an our judicial system is better than yours rant.

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Richard John Doney was arrested in 1984 with being knowingly concerned in the importation of cannabis resin. In 2001 he was acquitted when the NSW Court of Criminal Appeal ruled unanimously that new evidence had established reasonable doubt and that a miscarriage of justice had occurred. See more information www.richarddoney.com
Colin Ross was pardoned on May 27, 2008, 86 years after his conviction and execution.
Darryl Beamish and John Button were convicted of murders committed by Eric Edgar Cooke in 1961 and 1963, respectively.
Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton was convicted in 1982 for the murder of her 9 week-old daughter, Azaria, after claiming that the baby had been taken by a dingo. In 1985 her conviction was overturned and she was released from prison. In June 2012 an Australian coroner made a final ruling that a dingo had taken the baby and had caused her death. Coroner Elizabeth Morris apologised to the Chamberlain family and an amended death certificate was immediately made available to them.
Ray, Peter, and Brian Mickelberg were convicted in 1983 of the Perth Mint Swindle. In 2002, Tony Lewandowski came forward and admitted the police had framed the brothers. In July 2004 their convictions were quashed and as part of a libel settlement, the West Australian police issued a public apology in December 2007.
Roseanne Catt was convicted in 1991 on 9 counts including attempted murder of her husband Barry Catt. She was arrested after she had agreed to assist the Department of Family and Community services in the prosecution of her husband for molesting his children (her stepchildren). The detective leading the investigation (Peter Thomas) was a business associate of Barry Catt and had a previous antagonistic relationship with Roseanne Catt. The investigation was carried out from the home of a friend of Barry Catt rather than from the local police station. The crown prosecutor was Patrick Power who later pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. In 2004, after an 18-month investigation by Judge Davidson, Ms Catt's appeals against seven of the nine convictions (including attempted murder) were upheld whereas the other two convictions were allowed to stand.
Andrew Mallard was convicted for the murder of jeweler Pamela Lawrence in 1994 after eight unrecorded hours of police interrogation and a brief recorded "confession" that followed. In 2005, the High Court of Australia was advised that the prosecution and/or police had withheld evidence which showed his innocence, and overturned his conviction. As such, Mallard was released from prison. A "cold case" review of the murder conducted after Mallard's release implicated one Simon Rochford as the actual offender and Mallard was exonerated.
Salvatore Fazzari, Jose Martinez, and Carlos Pereiras were convicted in 2006 for the murder of Phillip Walsham in 1998. The conviction was overturned by the Western Australian Court of Appeal in 2007 on the grounds that the guilty verdicts were unreasonable and could not be supported on the evidence.
Graham Stafford was convicted in 1992 of the murder of twelve-year-old Leanne Sarah Holland, the younger sister of Stafford's then partner. Stafford unsuccessfully appealed in 1992 and 1997. Stafford served over 14 years in prison before being paroled in 2006. One of the conditions of his appeal was that he not speak to the media. In a rare third appeal in 2009 Stafford was successful with two judges ordering a retrial and the third recommending an acquittal. One aspect of the decision of the High Court in determining the Andrew Mallard case was quoted by the majority as an important factor in their decision to uphold the appeal. The Queensland Director of Prosecutions decided that a retrial was not in the public interest. Stafford and his supporters are seeking an investigation into the original prosecution.
Farah Jama was convicted on 21 July 2008 of rape of an unconscious woman purely on the basis of DNA evidence. The woman had been found unconscious partly undressed in a toilet cubicle in a night club. She had no recollection of having been raped. Mr Jama served 15 months of a 6-year sentence before being acquitted by a court of appeal. A subsequent investigation by a retired judge concluded that there had been no rape and that the DNA sample had been contaminated at the time it was taken from the alleged victim.[8] Mr Jama was awarded an ex gratia payment of A$250,000 by the Victorian Government.
Terry Irving was convicted in 1993 of the armed robbery of a Cairns bank, and sentenced to eight years imprisonment. Identification evidence given at his trial was later established to be false. Irving protested his innocence throughout his trial and appeals. He was denied legal aid for his appeals. After serving over half of his prison sentence, Irving had his conviction quashed by the High Court of Australia. The High Court stated that Irving’s original trial was unfair, saying that it had the "gravest misgivings about the circumstances of the case". When the Queensland Government refused to make restitution to Irving, he took his case to the United Nations Human Rights Committee, which stated in 2002 that Irving had "been the subject of manifest injustice" and "should be entitled to compensation". In 2009, Queensland Attorney General Cameron Dick abandoned a judicial review of Irving's case, which had been ordered by Dick's predecessor, Kerry Shine. Irving is yet to be compensated for his four and a half years of wrongful imprisonment.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases#Australia

And that doesn't include all the aboriginal children taken from their parents in an attempt to 'civilise' them.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:46 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

It is not my opinion . We had a man arrested in France for assault despite being outnumbered and the victim of the assault . His case made the papers here . He had to prove he was not guilty because he had been charged by the Police .
That must have been centuries ago. Or totally unlawful - against all French laws and against the European Rights Convention as well.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:52 am
It would seem that the cockpit door has a number entry code which the crew know off by heart. In the event of a terrorist attack, the cockpit crew have the facility to override that code and keep the door locked for five minute periods, which can be repeated.
Since 9/11, all passenger aircraft such as this one has to have such an entry mechanism.
The regulation doors can also withstand a grenade blast.

The fact that the Pilot could not get the door to open would possibly indicate that the Co-Pilot had overriden the entry code, possibly twice.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
He had to prove he was not guilty because he had been charged by the Police .
Actually, assaults would be charged at courts in France and not by the police - a violent offences (in French crime) at the Cour d'Assises.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:58 am
@Olivier5,
During the Falklands War the French Company that makes the Exocet Missile published a full page ad in British newspapers saying its missiles were working and killing lots of British sailors (this was in response to a ploy by the British who said the missiles werent detonating because of incorrectly set fuses) . How sensitive of them ! And Britain being a fellow NATO ally .

The French Secret service blew up and sank the Rainbow Warrior when it was in New Zealand because it was going to interfere with Nuclear Bomb testing in the Pacific . A clear act of War .

The French President let the producers of the movie 'The Da Vinci Code' film in the Louvre if they made his niece the star .

All the French people I have met in my travels overseas, at home and on duty have been some of the nicest people I will ever meet . But I would not trust the French Government or the French Private Sector to not be corrupt any more than I would Al Capone . I suppose I am parochial towards the USA now .

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Just laughing my ass off at your parochialism.

Dont laugh your arse of just yet, I want to kick it some more .
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 09:59 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:

The fact that the Pilot could not get the door to open would possibly indicate that the Co-Pilot had overriden the entry code, possibly twice.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:01 am
@Lordyaswas,
Things aren't looking so much like mechanical breakdown now, are they. I have been considering it possibly suicidal for a while. If so, I suppose it could be 'terror' related, but it could also be a mental health/anger situation. I'm just thinking out loud here.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:02 am
@izzythepush,
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so lets stick to the topic instead of going off on an our judicial system is better than yours rant.
Very Happy Did you just say that and then deliver a 1,000 word essay doing the opposite ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I remember it was in the South of France and it was less than 10 years ago .
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:06 am
@Lordyaswas,
I thought the Airbus had a switch controlling the door . If it was off, then the code would not work, ever .
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:08 am
@Ionus,
Not being an expert on cockpit door opening, I wouldn't want to argue any factual stuff with you, for fear of one or more of us bullshitting.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:08 am
@Ionus,
No I just cut and pasted.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Excellent post, Walt...it shows the switch I was talking about . If that was set to lock, the code would not open it . Note how easy it would be to select the wrong position in an emergency .
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:12 am
@Lordyaswas,
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Not being an expert on cockpit door opening, I wouldn't want to argue any factual stuff with you, for fear of one or more of us bullshitting.
Aircraft were my bread and butter for a large part of my working life .
NSFW (view)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:15 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

I remember it was in the South of France and it was less than 10 years ago .
French law is the same all over the country.
And even if it was more ten years ago - the laws about assault are the same all over the years.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:15 am
@ossobuco,
I'm tending to agree with you, osso.

Despite what is being slung around on this thread, a prosecutor of such a high profile international disaster such as this would either be out to commit career suicide by blurting out incorrect supposition, or he was in possession of damning facts from something like the black box data.

I'm betting on the latter, and the basic news being released sooner rather than later, before the conspiracy theorists start jumping all over it.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:21 am
@Ionus,
Like I said....one or more of us. You may well know what you are talking about. I am not an expert.
I must say that it seems as if someone has pissed on your cornflakes though. You seem a trifle annoyed for some reason.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:26 am
@Lordyaswas,
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You seem a trifle annoyed for some reason.
Well I will have to do better.... Wink I have had a very bad day and it is 02:25 here...perhaps thats it .
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