Why I'm a feminist.

@izzythepush,

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I don't know anything about NFL or NBA, or what you do, but I doubt the stats talk about their bottoms.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/g2334/sexy-butts-in-football/

Does this count as objectification to you?

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@maxdancona,

That's not football.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4335506.ece/alternates/s615/pelle.jpg

This is football.

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@izzythepush,

That never happened to me (there's always a first time). Pointed video, though not without a grain of truth.

I can still remember my niece coming back to the studio after walking my business partner's doberman. (She did the odd design studio jobs when she stayed with me.) The trucker took her for a hooker, it seems, or maybe not. He didn't get out of the truck, natch. She was 13 or 14 then. Oh, and black. Grrrr, when she told me.

I liked the commercial better..
Not because the birds fooled the man, but that that could have been me and I thought it was funny.

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@maxdancona,

Those in the NFL would be men, not 15 year old girls trying to walk home without some gross older guy harassing them.

Women do rape young boys, I have never denied that, but as a rule, you do not see women standing on the side of road waiting for young boys to get out of school to harass them. If you can not acknowledge that much, you are not seriously interested in having an honest conversation in this thread with opposing sides sharing their views. I find the whole thing shocking.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
The reason I reject feminism is its mythology, which judges every social interaction through the lens of men's oppression of women (

In your head. I've never come across it.

I 've never given feminism much thought.

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@revelette2,

Of course I agree with you on this. Any adult man harassing 15 year old girls trying to walk home from school should be shot.

There is plenty that we can agree on.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I 've never given feminism much thought.

I know, it doesn't really affect men, unless they're the type who like to leer at women from cars.

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@revelette2,

I don't know how a Cosmo article is supposed to equal all the women in posters, lads mags, page 3 of the Sun, not to mention all the porn on the internet that is accessed by young men/boys, that twists the way they view girls, and the real life everyday harassment faced by girls every day.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Of course I agree with you on this. Any adult man harassing 15 year old girls trying to walk home from school should be shot.

There is plenty that we can agree on.

So how to you suggest we address the issue without making sure that most men find it unacceptable to start with. We have a culture where a substantial number of men think it is acceptable. How do we change that culture? Do you want to change that culture?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Most boys will walk to and from school
without being honked at or catcalled all their school lives.

I 'm sure that 's absolutely TRUE!
It did not happen to me, for years n years!

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@izzythepush,

I also remember something in that Hollaback (I'm probably misspelling that) article (I haven't seen that video but read about it) that rang true, that men often don't see all that happen when they accompany women, because they tend to be a kind of protection.

I've been on the lucky side of this in that I'm older and easily taken as no great shakes to cat call at... but even in my youth, that only happened to me in Mexico the times I went there with girl pals, instead of lover or husband, and we didn't worry about it, weren't afraid of it, took it as a cultural difference. Some of it now may be cultural difference too.

I'm a long time walker of cities, one of my favorite things to do, and I rarely got the kind of stuff happening, even young, that was part of that video. (I dare say I wasn't ugly in my early walking days.) Diane and I - when I met a2kers in New York - walked the city, not always in great areas, and were treated well - but of course, we were old by then, 2003.

Whatever article I read, wherever, mentioned some of the internet hating (on lots of issues but re this thread, about feminism) is because of internet anonymity. Crowd cat calling can have some of that aspect.

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@izzythepush,

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So how to you suggest we address the issue without making sure that most men find it unacceptable to start with. We have a culture where a substantial number of men think it is acceptable. How do we change that culture? Do you want to change that culture?

Really?? In your culture it is ok for adult men to harass 15 year old girls? This certainly isn't acceptable in my culture.

This is absolutely not accepted around here.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Of course I agree with you on this.
Any adult man harassing 15 year old girls trying to walk home from school should be shot.

There is plenty that we can agree on.

No. Its a little extreme for my taste. Tho I join in disapproval, I 'm keeping my gun in its holster,
if its only a question of mt words. U can t go around shooting up the town like that, Max.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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No. Its a little extreme for my taste. Tho I join in disapproval, I 'm keeping my gun in its holster,
if its only a question of mt words. U can t go around shooting up the town like that, Max.?

Damn! (This is an interaction I never expected to have with you David Wink

I hope you don't mind I added your words to my signature.)

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@maxdancona,

Isn't it? Why does it happen so much then?

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@izzythepush,

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Isn't it? Why does it happen so much then?

Can you document this in more than one instance? In my community, this would be met with great hostility (by myself included).

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On american football, I'm one of the remainder of fans who aren't phasing following it out because of all the injury stuff happening. I've followed it since I was a girl who was new at my school and lived two bus rides away from it and mostly stayed home with my mother and aunt, until I later got an afterschool job.
My dad introduced me to sports, and reading about football was part of that.

I read some statistic that american football fans are about 46% women.
I read sports websites here almost daily. Almost daily, I get to see which football players' girlfriends are hot. Try following Sports Illustrated's site for a while. I'll admit it is better about all the hotties since they changed the format recently.
I subscribed to that magazine when I was a late teen, and that was just about when they started the swimsuit issue..

There is this assumption that women don't follow sports.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

DAVID wrote:
No. Its a little extreme for my taste. Tho I join in disapproval, I 'm keeping my gun in its holster,
if its only a question of mt words. U can t go around shooting up the town like that, Max.

Damn! (This is an interaction I never expected to have with you David
I hope you don't mind I added your words to my signature.)

Its OK; u r very welcome to add the words,
but I have not actually adopted a filosofical position qua feminism.
I don t have strong sentiments in that regard. I treat the female gender politely n equally.

David

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@maxdancona,

How do you know? When was the last time you talked to a 15 yr old girl? It happened to my daughter and all her friends. And I bet all the teenage girls in your community can name at least one instance. They don't talk about it because they don't think they'll be believed.

I really don't think you're prepared to believe it, because you'd rather blame feminism for making stuff up than confront reality.

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@izzythepush,

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I really don't think you're prepared to believe it, because you'd rather blame feminism for making stuff up than confront reality.

I have a 15 year old niece and a daughter who is a little younger than that. I will ask them. I am pretty sure that either would tell someone if this ever happened. I think more likely this is another example of you making stuff up to fit the ideological narrative.

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