More American War in Iraq?

Pinpoint targeting has always been a bullshyt military description.

And how do you derive your bullshit number, chump?

Even the Pentagon estimates up to 250,000 civilian dead.

Iraq Invasion, Occupation Forged New US War Strategy


March 15, 2013 11:59 AM

PENTAGON — Some estimates now put the cost of the war in Iraq at about two trillion dollars and the number of dead, both military and civilian, at nearly 200,000. The conflict, whose first concussive blasts were felt at 02:30 UTC on March 20, 2003, forever reshaped the way the United States armed forces conduct war.

U.S. Combat Troops in Iraq, 2003-2011U.S. Combat Troops in Iraq, 2003-2011
It was a war that began in a conventional way. U.S. forces went against Iraqi forces with a clear objective: to bring down the government of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

The long, drawn-out war that followed was far from conventional and shaped the way the U.S. military would handle future conflicts.

In 2011, the administration of President Barack Obama opted not to include regime change among its goals in Libya, citing mistakes in Iraq.

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Smoke rises from the Iraqi Trade Ministry in Baghdad after it was hit by a missile during a U.S.-led attacks, March 20, 2003.

“Regime change there took eight years, thousands of American and Iraqi lives and nearly a trillion dollars," the president said. "That is not something we can afford to repeat.”

With overwhelming power, U.S. forces were able to swiftly crush Saddam Hussein’s army and declare a quick victory, but managing the sectarian violence that erupted once Saddam was gone was a different story.

“The invasion in fact ended up being the easy part," says Jim Thomas of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. "The tough part was obviously the occupation. And our forces, while they optimized themselves for fighting another large conventional military, they were really unprepared for dealing with irregular, non-uniformed insurgents and terrorists that they encountered.”

That new scenario forced changes in Pentagon policy and practices on the ground, with new manuals on counterinsurgency operations, improved intelligence-gathering, a greater emphasis on cultural understanding, and knowledge of how to deal with improvised explosive devices.

But it was the length and the cost of the war that has most shaped the new U.S. defense structure.

“What we’ve learned is that occupations in particular are going to be incredibly costly and that there’s probably little appetite on the part of political leaders to undertake large-scale stability operations, counterinsurgency operations, especially if they’re going to be protracted," Thomas says.

With U.S. public opinion turning against big wars, the focus has shifted to less costly surgical approaches that are heavily reliant on unmanned aerial drones, special operations teams, and training partners and allies to handle conflicts in their own regions.

The approach raises new questions of whether the lessons of Iraq have made war an easier option than it seemed a decade ago.

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Pretend every one of those Iraqi were killed by another Iraqi, they wouldn't have died if we weren't there. Yours is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Even the Pentegon owns up to 200,000. Site some sources with your ridiculous statement.

Gees. I'm shocked. a factual statement. Good work and keep it up. We don't needto agree but we need to keep it factual.

Bill, you sure you didn't have a Abrams or uparmored Humvee for a main ride? Good stuff!

Or someone personally involved with neither. Armchair generals ...... what are you going to do?

Iran, the US and even the Shia militias who fought the American invasion are turning uneasily to each other.

Sorry no one force another person to killed their neighbors/fellow countrymen and the US is only response for what our own weapons and military killed.

To get the silly numbers of civilians killed by US forces of many hundreds of thousands we would had needed to fire bomb or nuke major population centers as in WW2 Japan.

So you and I agree, the Pentagon is full of ****.

Sorry, Bill, too many other sources have a count much higher than yours,and yours seem to be a number you're comfortable with but have no source for.

Here's how you can kill hundreds of thousands and this describes Gulf War 1


U.S. Bombing:
The Myth of Surgical Bombing in the Gulf War

by Paul Walker
I first want to thank Ramsey Clark and the National Coalition for having the courage to undertake an event of this nature. I hope as we continue to dig for the truth in this war, the inquiry will be repeated and repeated and repeated hundreds of times over, not only in the United States but around the globe.

Let me try to give you a brief account of the weapons and the war as a military analyst like myself is trying to discover. I must say first that our research at the Institute for Peace and International Security in Cambridge has been going on for several months at this point, ever since the war began and to a certain extent before it began. And there still is a large amount of stonewalling in Washington. Much of the information is unavailable. Much of the information takes an inordinate amount of time to come out. Much of it given out by the various services is in fact contradictory.

The first images of the 42-day Mideast war mesmerized most viewers - nighttime television pictures of targeted Iraqi bunkers and buildings, many in downtown Baghdad, being surgically destroyed by precision-guided bombs dropped by stealthy aircraft. The crosshairs of an aircraft high-tech laser targeting system lined up on the rooftop of the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, moments later a laser-seeking 2,000 pound bomb blew the building apart. Then the cameras would turn to U.S. General H. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of the anti-Iraq coalition, who described the attack "on his counterparts headquarters" with a wry, amused smile - you'll all remember this from the first night as I do. Hundreds of military news reporters in the Saudi briefing room laughed with nervous interest as if viewing Nintendo games, although thousands of individuals were killed, possibly, by that weapon. High-tech warfare had, indeed, come of age.

Back in Washington, General Colin Powell, Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced that he was "rather pleased that we appear to have achieved tactical surprise" against Iraqi forces in a sudden early morning first strike on January 17, 1991. Coalition forces undertook, in short, thousands of aircraft sorties and missile strikes in the first days of war. A select number of the successful ones with laser-guided bombs were portrayed daily back home on Cable News Network, Nightline, and other regular news programs.

Some 50 of the new F- 117A batwing stealth fighter bombers were flown in early attacks, apparently achieving better success in Baghdad than they had one year earlier when they missed their targets in Panama City. Over 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from ships and submarines for the first time in combat, also reportedly achieving successful "surgical strikes" on high-value Baghdad targets, including the Ministry of Defense and Saddam Hussein's presidential palace. American technological prowess was again displayed graphically several days later when Patriot air-defense missiles successfully intercepted attacking Iraqi missiles launched against Saudi Arabia and Israel.

These and other images of war, perhaps more than anything else, I believe, created an illusion of remote, bloodless, pushbutton battle in which only military targets were assumed destroyed. Pentagon officials stressed throughout their daily briefings that Coalition war planners were taking great pains to marry the right weapon with the right target in order to minimize "collateral damage," that is, injury to innocent civilians in Iraq and Kuwait, particularly in populated areas such as Baghdad and Kuwait City.

Halfway through the war, one journalist described the conflict as a "robo war" in which "the raids are intense, unremitting, and conducted with the world's most advanced non-nuclear weaponry but are unlikely to cause the sort of general destruction being anticipated by commentators." A Wall Street Journal article proclaimed, "Despite public perceptions, the recent history of high-tech conventional warfare has been to steadily reduce general destruction."

Despite all these public proclamations about limited casualties from so-called surgical and precision strikes there would appear to be much greater destruction and much higher numbers of dead and injured in Iraq and Kuwait. Early first-hand accounts provided glimpses of the possibilities of more than surgical damage to Iraqi targets. From my discussions with Ramsey Clark, this is certainly the case. For example, Captain Steven Tait, pilot of an F-16 jet fighter which escorted the first wave of bomber aircraft and who was the first American to shoot down an Iraqi plane, described his bird's eye view of Baghdad after the first hour of allied bombardment: "Flames rising up from the city, some neighborhoods lit up like a huge Christmas tree. The entire city was just sparkling at us."

The sheer amount of explosive tonnage dropped over Iraq and Kuwai also, I think, tends to undermine any assumption of surgical strikes. Air Force General McPeak, Air Force commanding general, proudly proclaiming, "Probably the first time in history that a field army has been defeated by air power," estimated that some 88,500 tons of bombs have been dropped in over 109,000 sorties flown by a total of 2,800 fixed-wing aircraft. Of these flights somewhat over half were actual bombing raids while the remainder involved refueling, bomber escort, surveillance, and so forth. Of the actual bombing missions, about 20,000 sorties were flown against a select list of 300 strategic targets in Iraq and Kuwait; about 5,000 were flown against SCUD missile launchers, and some 30,000 to 50,000 against Iraqi forces in southern Iraq and Kuwait. In all, more than 3,000 bombs (including sea-launched cruise missiles) were dropped on metropolitan Baghdad. The total number of bombs dropped by allied forces in the war comes to about 250,000. Of these only 22,000 were the so-called "smart bombs" or guided bombs. About 10,000 of these guided bombs were laser-guided and about 10,000 were guided anti-tank bombs. The remaining 2,000 were radiation guided bombs directed at communication and radar installations.

The most complete survey of all the different bombs, missiles, shells, and weapons so far appears in Appendix A of On Impact: Modern Warfare and the Environment, a report prepared by William Arkin, Damian Durrant, and Marianne Cherni for Greenpeace. This report was prepared for the "Fifth Geneva Convention on the Protection of the Environment in the Time of Armed Conflict" (London, June 3, 1991). The authors infer the total weapons used from the 1991 fiscal year supplemental budget request to Congress which lists weapons required to replenish U.S. stockpiles. The numbers are revealing and staggering. In part, they include:

2,095 HARM missiles
217 Walleye missiles
5,276 guided anti-tank missiles
44,922 cluster bombs and rockets
136,755 conventional bombs
4,077 guided bombs[1]

The conventional unguided bomb (so-called "dumb bomb") was the most commonly used weapon in the massacre. These come in four types: the Mk 82 (500 lbs), Mk 83 (1,000 lbs), Mk 84 (2,000 lbs), and the M117 (750 lbs). In all some 150,000 to 170,000 of these bombs were dropped during the war.

The U.S. arsenal contains eight kinds of guided bombs:

AGM-130, an electro-optically or infrared-guided 2,000 pound powered bomb,
GBU-10 Paveway II, a 2,000 pound laser-guided bomb based on a Mk 84,
GBU-101 Paveway II, a 2,000 pound laser-guided bomb with I-2000 hard target munition, employed exclusively on the F117A and used in small numbers,
GBU-12 Paveway II, a 500 pound laser-guided bomb, used against tanks,
GBU-24 Paveway III, a 2,000 pound laser-guided, low-level weapon (with BLU-109 bomb and mid-course auto pilot) used against chemical and industrial facilities, bridges, nuclear storage areas, and aircraft shelters,
GBU-27 Paveway III, a 2,000 pound laser-guided bomb with I-2000 hard target munition on the BLU-109/B, a "black program" adapted version of the GBU-24, used exclusively by F- 117A fighters to attack aircraft shelters, bunkers, and other targets in Baghdad, and
GBU-28, a 5,000 pound "bunker busting" laser-guided bomb, fabricated especially for the war against Iraq "in an effort to destroy extremely hardened, deeply buried Iraqi command and control bunkers, kill senior military officials and possible kill Saddam Hussein."[2]

As if explosive bombs were not enough, the U.S. used massive amounts of fire bombs and napalm, although U.S. officials denied using napalm against Iraqi troops, only on oil filled trenches (this raises the question of who set all the oil wells on fire in Kuwait and southern Iraq). These trenches, of course, in many cases surrounded bunkers where Iraqi soldiers were hiding. Perhaps the most horrifying of all bombs was the Fuel Air Explosives (FAE) which were used to destroy minefields and bunkers in Iraq and Kuwait. These firebombs were directly used against Iraqi soldiers, although military spokesmen and press reports have consistently tried to downplay their role.[3] Perhaps this is only because press reports were too descriptive before the war when the Pentagon was leaking stories about possible Iraqi use of FAEs, along with nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons - none of which ever appeared on the Iraqi side. The FAE is composed of an ethelene oxide fuel which forms an aerosol cloud or mist on impact. The cloud is then detonated, forming very high overpressures and a blast or shock wave that destroys anything within an area of about 50,000 square feet (for a 2,000 pound bomb). The U.S. also used "daisy cutters" or the BLU-82, a 15,000 pound bomb containing GSX Gelled slurry explosives. This, too, is a concussion type bomb which military spokesmen and the U.S. press said was used to detonate pressure sensitive mines. The mines, of course, surrounded Iraqi troop deployments and the concussive force of the bomb would surely also rupture internal organs or ear-drums of Iraqi soldiers pinned down in their bunkers. This is not even to mention incineration and asphyxiation, as the fire storm of the bomb sucks all of the oxygen out of the area. President Bush continually warned about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, but it is clear that U.S. forces alone used weapons of mass destruction against Iraqi troops in both Iraq and Kuwait.

Among other controversial weapons are cluster bombs and anti-personnel bombs which contain a large number of small bomblets inside a large casing. Upon impact the little bombs are dispersed over a wide area and then explode. Using cluster bombs, a single B-52 can deliver more than 8,000 bomblets in a single mission. A total of about 60,000 to 80,000 cluster bombs were dropped.[4]

What all of this means to anyone who thinks about the numbers is simply that the bombing was not a series of surgical strikes but rather an old fashioned mass destruction. On March 15, 1991, the Air Force released information stating that 93.6% of the tonnage dropped were traditional unguided bombs. So we have something like 82,000 tons of bombs that were non-precision guided and only 7,000 tons of guided bombs. This is not surgical warfare in any accurate sense of the term and more importantly in the sense that was commonly understood by the American public. Bombs were, moreover, not the only source of explosives rained down upon Iraq. Artillery shells from battleships and rocket launchers amounted to an additional 20,000 to 30,000 tons of explosives.

While the F-117 Stealth fighter captured the fascination of the news media, massive B-52s carried out the bulk of the work. Flying out of bases in Diego Garcia, Spain, United Kingdom, the United States, Saudi Arabia, and other places, B-52s dropped about thirty percent of the total tonnage of bombs. B-52s were used from the first night of the war to the last. Flying at 40,000 feet and releasing 40 - 60 bombs of 500 or 750 pounds each, their only function is to carpet bomb entire areas. General McPeak told Defense Week, "The targets we are going after are widespread. They are brigades, and divisions and battalions on the battlefield. It's a rather low density target. So to spread the bombs - carpet bombing is not my favorite expression - is proportionate to the target. Now is it a terrible thing? Yes. Does it kill people? Yes."[5] B-52s were used against chemical and industrial storage areas, air fields, troop encampments, storage sites, and they were apparently used against large populated areas in Basra.

Language used by military spokesman General Richard Neal during the war made it sound as if Basra had been declared a "free fire zone" - to use a term from the Vietnam war for areas which were declared to be entirely military in nature and thus susceptible to complete bombing. On February 11, 1991, Neal told members of the press that "Basra is a military town in the true sense.... The infrastructure, military infrastructure, is closely interwoven within the city of Basra itself"[6] He went on to say that there were no civilians left in Basra, only military targets. Before the war, Basra was a city of 800,000 people, Iraq's second largest. Eyewitness accounts Suggest that there was no pretense at a surgical war in this city. On February 5, 1991, the Los Angeles Times reported that the air war had brought "a hellish nightime of fires and smoke so dense that witnesses say the sun hasn't been clearly visible for several days at a time . . . [that the bombing is] leveling some entire city blocks . . . [and that there are] bomb craters the size of football fields and an untold number of casualties."[7] Press reports immediately following the cease-fire tried to suggest that the massive destruction of Basra was caused by Iraqi forces suppressing the Shiite rebellion or was simply left over from the Iran-Iraq war. This would not be the first time the press and the U.S. government covered up the extent of its war destruction - the case of Panama comes immediately to mind

The use of B-52s and carpet bombing violates Article 51 of Geneva Protocol I which prohibits area bombing. Any bombardment that treats a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located within a city as a single military objective is prohibited. Basra and most of southern Iraq and Kuwait where Iraqi forces were deployed were treated by U.S. military planners as a single area or to use McPeak's phrase "a low density target." The same is true for General Norman Schwarzkopf's order at the start of the ground war "not to let anybody or anything out of Kuwait City."[8] The result of this order was the massive destruction that came to be known as the "Highway of Death." In addition to retreating soldiers, many of whom had affixed white flags to their tanks which were clearly visible to U.S. pilots,[9] thousands of civilians, especially Palestinians, were killed as they tried to escape from Kuwait City. An Army officer on the scene told reporters that the "U.S. Air Force had been given the word to work over that entire area [roads leading north from Kuwait City] to find anything that was moving and take it out.''[10]

By now it should be clear to anyone that claims of a surgical or a precise war are no more than the kind of excuses which the guilty always give to deflect blame elsewhere. The destruction of Iraq was near total and it was criminal. The fact that Baghdad was not carpet bombed by B-52s does not mean that the civilian population was not attacked and killed. On top of the massive bombing, we have now a new kind of war: bomb now, die later. The precision bombs which did manage to hit their targets destroyed precisely the life-sustaining economic infrastructure without which Iraqis would soon die from disease and malnutrition. George Bush's remark on February 6, 1991, that the air strikes have "been fantastically accurate" can only mean that the destruction of the civilian economic infrastructure was, indeed, the desired target and that the U.S. either made no distinction between military and civilian targets or defined the military area in such a broad manner as to include much civilian property. In both cases, it is a war crime.

Finally, comments about the surgical nature of the war tend to neglect the outright massacre which occurred in southern Iraq and Kuwait. The only way to describe what happened there would be a killing frenzy. No accurate numbers of people killed in these areas exist but with the massive bombing of bunkers, especially by FAEs, it is likely that most of the Iraqi soldiers were killed by the saturation bombing. This number could go as high as several hundred thousand. These soldiers were defenseless from air attacks and cut off from communication with leaders in Baghdad. They were simply isolated by the U.S.-led coalition, brutally killed, and then bulldozed into some forty-nine mass graves. That is what General Colin Powell said in November with regard to the Iraqi army: "First you cut it off, then you kill it." There is nothing surgical about that.
Notes

Williarn M. Arkin, Darnian Durrant, and Marianne Cherni , On Impact: Modern Warfare and the Environment - A Case Study of the Gulf War (Washington, DC: Greenpeace, May 1991), p. 160, fn 377.
John D. Morrocco and David Fulghum , "USAF Developed a 4,700-lb. Bomb in Crash Program to Attack Iraqi Military Leaders in Hardened Bunkers," Aviation Week eS Space Technology, May 6, 1991: 85.
John Morrocco , "Looming Budget Cuts Threaten Future of Key HighTech Weapons," Aviation Week & Space Technology, April 22, 1991: 66-67. Eric Schmitt, "Why Iraqi Battle Threat Fizzled: Allied Strengths and Enemy Weaknesses," New York Times, March 4,1991: A9. Barbara Starr, "FAEs Used to Clear Mines," Jane's Defense Weekly, February 23, 1991: 247.
Arkin, Durrant, and Cherni , On Impact, Appendix A.
Tony Capaccio , "McPeak: Unclear If Air War has Sapped Iraqi Will," Defense Week, February 4, 1991.
Washington Post , February 2, 1991: A14.
Mark Fineman , "Smoke Blots Out Sun in Bomb-Blasted Basra," Los Angeles Times, February 5, 1991.
Bill Gannon "Pool Report with the Tiger Brigade Outside Kuwait City," Newark Star-Ledger, February 27, 1991.
Rowan Scarborough , "Pool Report Aboard the USS Blue Ridge," Washington Times, February 27, 1991.
Michael Kelly, "Highway to Hell," New Republic, April 1991: 12.

Paul Walker is the director of the Institute for Peace and International Security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His report was given at the New York Commission hearing, May 11, 1991 and at the Boston ommission hearing on June 8, 1991.

Here's how you kill hundreds of thousands in Gulf War 2:

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"At intervals, white phosphorus rounds would illuminate entire sections of the city, showering down balls of orange flame and leaving behind smoky jellyfish-shaped silhouettes." --Newsweek, November 22, 2004.

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In the November 8, 2004, Operation Phantom Fury, the U.S.-led assault on Fallujah, "[s]ome artillery guns fired white phosphorous rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water. Insurgents reported being attacked with a substance that melted their skin, a reaction consistent with white phosphorous burns," the Washington Post reported November 10, 2004.

On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, the Pentagon "acknowledged using incendiary white-phosphorus munitions in a 2004 offensive against insurgents in the Iraqi city of Falluja and defended their use as legal, amid concerns by arms control advocates," Reuters reported November 16, 2005. "Army Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, said the U.S. military had not used the highly flammable weapons against civilians."


"Shake 'n' Bake"

The California counties of San Diego and Riverside North County Times reported April 10, 2004, on the "siege" of Fallujah, during which Jonathan Millikin, 21, from Reno, Nevada grabbed "a white phosphorus round from a nearby ammo can" and held it over the firing tube before dropping it in ...

"The boom kicked dust around the pit as [the soldiers] ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call 'shake 'n' bake' into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week.

"They say they have never seen what they've hit, nor did they talk about it as they dusted off their breakfast and continued their hilarious routine of personal insults and name-calling."

The "Fight for Fallujah"

The following comes from the November 9, 2005, Daily Kos:

"WP [i.e., white phosphorus rounds] proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE [high explosive]. We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out." --Field Artillery Magazine, March/April 2005.

"In other words the claim by the US Government that White Phosphorus was used only for illumination at Fallujah had been pre-emptively debunked by the Army. Indeed, the article goes on to make clear that soldiers would have liked to have saved more WP rounds to use for 'lethal missions'," Steve D. wrote.

"... there is no way you can use white phosphorus like that without forming a deadly chemical cloud that kills everything within a tenth of a mile in all directions from where it hits. Obviously, the effect of such deadly clouds weren't just psychological in nature." --Mark Kraft, Altercation, MSNBC, November 9, 2005.

See Digital Globe Maps of Al Fallujah September 15, 2002, and November 5, 2004 for views of the city before the November 2004 assault. Global Security also has numerous Digital Globe aerial view Maps of Al Fallujah dating from 2002 and November 4 and 5, 2004, and Troop Movements November 9, November 10, November 14, 2004.
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Related SourceWatch Resources

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Operation Iraqi Freedom: Iraqi casualties
The Cheney-Rumsfeld Cabal Deception
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war crime
War Crimes Against the Civilians of Iraq
weapons of mass destruction

External links
Websites

Electronic Iraq Project website.
Iraqi Body Count.net website.

Definition

"Weapons of Mass Destruction" in the Wikipedia (stems from "blanket bombing" in Guernica, Spain, in 1937).

Photographs

U.S. Army Redstone Technical Test Center, Redstone Arsenal. Scroll down to second row of pictures and the one described as "White phosphorous obscurant" shows the "smoky jellyfish-shaped silhouettes" described in Newsweek, November 22, 2004.

Documents & Publications

Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. Protocol III: Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons, Geneva, October 10, 1980.
John Emsley, The 13th Element: The Sordid Tale of Murder, Fire, and Phosphorus, John Wiley & Sons: New York, Chichester, England, 2000, ISBN 0-471-39455-6. Published in UK as The Shocking History of Phosphorus: A Biography of the Devil’s Element, Macmillan Publishers, Ltd.: London, England, 2000, ISBN 0-333-76638-5.
"The Fight for Fallujah" in Field Artillery, March/April 2005 (pp. 22-28).

Napalm

MK77 750lb Napalm . MK78 500lb Napalm . MK79 1000lb Napalm, Global Security.

1995

"The 'Scope' of the Chemical Weapons Convention and the Role of Its Schedules" (Working Paper), Preparatory Commission for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (Australia), July 25, 1995.

2001

William M. Arkin, "America Cluster Bombs Iraq," Washington Post (GlobalSecurity.org), February 26, 2001.
Michael Taylor, "Military Says Goodbye to Napalm. Pentagon recycles remaining stock of a notorious weapon," San Francisco Chronicle, April 4, 2001.

2003

"U.S. secret weapons in Iraq war. Microwave bursts, incendiary bombs to target bio-chem arsenal," WorldNetDaily, February 20, 2003: "The offensive weapon of choice against Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons stockpiles may be what the Pentagon is calling 'agent defeat weapons,' or ADW. ... ADWs burn up the chemical and biological weapons once they are found and even serve to deactivate the ashes with chlorine and acid cleaners once the burning stops."
Lindsay Murdoch, "'Dead bodies are everywhere'," Sydney Morning Herald, March 22, 2003.
James W. Crawley, "Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops. Results are 'remarkably similar' to using napalm," San Diego Union-Tribune (GlobalSecurity.org), August 5, 2003.
"U.S. Admits Using Napalm Bombs In Iraq: Report," Islam Online, August 10, 2003.

2004

Dahr Jamail, "'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah," Inter Press Service (TruthOut), February 26, 2004.
Darrin Mortenson, "Violence subsides for Marines in Fallujah," North County times, April 10, 2004.
Jason E. Levy, "TTPs for the 60mm mortar section," Infantry Magazine, May-June 2004.
Mike Ingram, "Inside Fallujah: An insightful report on US atrocities against Iraqi civillians," WSWS, June 2, 2004.
"No Longer Unknowable: Falluja's April Civilian Toll is 600," Iraq Body Count (IBC) (InformationClearingHouse), October 26, 2004.
Tony Karon, "The Grim Calculations of Retaking Fallujah," Time, November 8, 2004: "Capturing the city could mean a Sunni election boycott, but leaving it in rebel hands would also jeopardize the poll."
Jackie Spinner, Karl Vick and Omar Fekeiki, "U.S. Forces Battle Into Heart of Fallujah. Units Meet Scattered Resistance; Attacks Continue Elsewhere," Washington Post, November 10, 2004.
"U.S. drives into heart of Fallujah. Army, Marines face rockets and bombs in battle to take insurgents' stronghold," San Francisco Chronicle, November 10, 2004.
"US Troops Reportedly Gassing Fallujah," Islam Online, November 10, 2004.
"US Troops Reportedly Gassing Fallujah," AriannaOnline, November 11, 2004.
News Release: "Iraq: Fears of serious violations of the rules of war in Falluja," Amnesty International, November 12, 2004.
Helen Thomas, "Attack on Fallujah can't be justified," Hearst Newspapers (published in Seattle Post-Intelligencer) (Common Dreams), November 12, 2004.
Pepe Escobar, "A thousand Fallujahs," Asia Times, November 12, 2004.
Giuliana Sgrena, "The death throes of Fallujah," il manifesto, November 13, 2004: "Fallujah is a ghost town: there is no water, electricity or medical supplies - and precious little food. Yet US forces and interim Prime Minister Allawi are preventing the humanitarian organisations from bringing in aid."
Press Release: Situation of civilians in Falluja, Iraq, United Nations, November 14, 2004.
Dexter Filkins and James Glanz, "Fallujah invasion complete. GIs, Iraqis flush remaining rebels; Mosul violence grows," New York Times (San Francisco Chronicle), November 15, 2004.
"Operation Phantom Fury," The Pnut House, November 15, 2004.
Jeannie Shawl, "UN rights commissioner calls for probe into Fallujah violations" Jurist, November 16, 2004.
"Falluja women, children in mass grave," Aljazeera, November 21, 2004.
Babak Dehghanpisheh, "Fallujah - 'This Ain't Over Yet'," Newsweek, November 22, 2004: "Operation Phantom Fury lived up to its name as American soldiers stormed Fallujah. On the ground with the Marines."
Giuliana Sgrena, "Napalm Raid on Falluja? 73 charred bodies -- women and children -- were found," il manifesto, November 23, 2004.
"US Denies Gassing Fallujah," Islam Online, November 25, 2004.
"U.S. uses napalm gas in Fallujah – Witnesses," Aljazeerah (and sister site Islam Online), November 28, 2004.
Paul Gilfeather, "Fallujah Napalmed," Sunday Mirror (UK) (From the Wilderness), November 28, 2004.
Dahr Jamail, "International weapons conventions in Iran, Iraq," Iraq Dispatches, November 29, 2005.
Fintan Dunne, "Fallujah's 9/11: U.S. Used Weapons of Mass Destruction," BreakForNews.com, November 29, 2004.
Mike Whitney, "Firebombing Falluja," ZMag, December 1, 2004.
Pepe Escobar, "From Guernica to Fallujah," Asia Times, December 2, 2004.
Sam Hamod, "Iraq: The U.S. Wrong All the Way," Aljazeerah, December 3, 2004.
"Did the U.S. Use 'Illegal' Weapons in Fallujah? Media allegations claim the U.S. used outlawed weapons during combat in Iraq," U.S. Department of State, December 9, 2004; updated November 10, 2005.
Dahr Jamail, "An Eyewitness Account of Fallujah," The Ester Republic (Iraq Dispatches), December 16, 2004.

2005

Dahr Jamail, "Odd Happenings In Fallujah," Dahrjamailiraq.com (Counter Currents), January 19, 2005.
Dahr Jamail, "Stories from Fallujah," Iraq Dispatches, February 8, 2005.
Chris Floyd, "Ring of Fire: The Fallujah Inferno," Empire Burlesque, March 1, 2005. Includes lengthy list of related citations.
"U.S. used banned weapons in Fallujah – Health ministry," Aljazeera, March 3, 2005.
William Pitt, "Another Journalist Deliberately Targeted?" TruthOut, March 6, 2005.
"Weapons of Mass Destruction Employed by US to Imolate Falluja: White Phosphorus is a Chemical Weapon," Albasrah.net, March 7, 2005.
Nick Welsh, "Diving Into falluja. To Hell and Back with S.B. Documentary-Maker Mark Manning," Independent (UK), March 17, 2005.
Eman Ahmed Khammas, "Back to Fallujah: Tents on Rubbles," Brussels Tribunal (uruknet), March 23, 2005.
Report on the current situation in the city of Fallujah. Presented to the 61st session of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights For the period of 1st January to 25th March 2005, Studies Center of Human Rights and Democracy, March 26, 2005.
"Did BBC ignore weapons claim?" BBC, April 14, 2005.
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You and Oralboy, and all the other defenders of these heinous war criminals, sure are dumb, Bill. But we've known that for a good long time.

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NATO violated a substantial part of the Nuremberg Judgments, directed at Nazi war criminals, which held that the ultimate crime in international law, the ultimate war crime - which carries with it every crime that may be committed in the war - is launching an unprovoked attack upon another state.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/14_law.htm

You have always taken great pains to illustrate just how ignorant you are, Oralboy.

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NATO violated a substantial part of the Nuremberg Judgments, directed at Nazi war criminals, which held that the ultimate crime in international law, the ultimate war crime - which carries with it every crime that may be committed in the war - is launching an unprovoked attack upon another state.


http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/14_law.htm

Once more it complete nonsense on it face and impossible without large scale massive attacks on population centers.

Attacks that did not occur.

Could someone please quote the relevant portion to this terrible coward Bill, showing him that he doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

footnote the battle of Berlin at the end of WW2 with three millions plus soldiers and 41,600 artillery pieces and mortars, 3,255 truck-mounted Katyusha rocket launchers (nicknamed 'Stalin's Pipe Organs'), and 95,383 motor vehicles, many manufactured in the US locked in combat resulted in around 125,000 civilians deaths less then the idiots here are claiming for the Iraq/US conflict!!!!!!!!!!

What you have written has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the USA committed the ultimate war crime, the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. All crimes that flow from that illegal invasion fall on the shoulders of the illegal invaders.

You should be ashamed of using such a patently dishonest diversion.

Next, are you going to introduce Genghis Khan as a diversion, Bill.

Genghis Khan has gotten something of a bad rap.

I highly recommend

"Genghis Khan and The Making of The Modern World" by Jack Weatherford

BUMPITY BUMP

You can excuse away the most heinous USA war crimes, Rabel but your sense of morality makes you resort to euphemisms for 'bullshit'.

Amazing!

You don't have a clue.


German casualties in World War II


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Dead German soldier, Russia, 1942

The German Red Cross in 2005 put the total combined German military and civilian war dead at 7,375,800, including ethnic Germans outside of Germany and Austrians. This figure includes 4.3 million military dead and missing, 500,000 killed by strategic bombing, 300,000 victims of Nazi political, racial and religious persecution, 2,251,500 civilian dead in expulsions and 24,300 Austrian civilians. [1]In addition 200,000 Germans were murdered in the Nazi euthanasia program.[2]