More American War in Iraq?

Bill. "There are none so blind as will not see."

Your sense of morality ain't close to being up to par either, Finn. What is the reason one would deflect attention away from massive war crimes that easily outdo the Nazis in breadth and are the equal in their viciousness.

Sure for the whole WW2 war however once more it take either mass bombings of population centers or the kind of fighting that happen over Berlin at the end of the war to get those kinds of civilians deaths figures and neither happen during either of the gulf wars or came close to happening.

No large scale or for that matter any other type of carpet bombings of population centers and no ground fighting that came anywhere near the Russians taking Berlin by brute force.

Protestations an argument do not make!

There were those in WWII who were hung for the same things the USA has done in Iraq and Afghanistan, ie. illegally invade sovereign nations. We don't have to quibble over numbers.

It matters not at all as to the numbers as regards bringing the Bush war criminals to account.

Seriously, what the hell does "bump" signify?

I've asked this, of someone else, before but didn't get an answer?

What attention? The attention you think you are gifting us with?

On so simple a question, diversion and obfuscation are your first choices.

Internal exposure to all the alpha particles is the gravest risk posed by DU dust (and that alone is more than enough to justify cleaning up the dust if a tank has been destroyed in a populated area). However, there are also beta emissions that pose an external hazard to passerby.

And with small amounts of technetium, plutonium and americium present in DU, there'll also be a handful of gammas coming at anyone who gets too close.

Boy, my IQ is higher than you are capable of counting.

You're pretty good at childish name-calling, but you can't show a single thing that I am wrong about.



Fiction. The Nuremberg Tribunals did not hold that invading another country was the "ultimate" war crime.

I'm quite sure that they considered genocide a far worse crime.

Only a lunatic would call illegal invasions "the ultimate war crime".

Genocide is far far worse.



So if Canada invaded the United States, and during the invasion I decided to go murder my neighbor, that would be Canada's fault?

There was nothing even remotely illegal about our invasion of Afghanistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/19/us-depleted-uranium-weapons-civilian-areas-iraq

US fired depleted uranium at civilian areas in 2003 Iraq war, report finds
Dutch peace group Pax says findings show US was in breach of official advice meant to prevent suffering in conflicts




US forces fired depleted uranium (DU) weapons at civilian areas and troops in Iraq in breach of official advice meant to prevent unnecessary suffering in conflicts, a report has found.

Coordinates revealing where US jets and tanks fired nearly 10,000 DU rounds in Iraq during the war in 2003 have been obtained by the Dutch peace group Pax. This is the first time that any US DU firing coordinates have been released, despite previous requests by the United Nations Environment Programme and the Iraqi government.



According to PAX's report, which is due to be published this week, the data shows that many of the DU rounds were fired in or near populated areas of Iraq, including As Samawah, Nasiriyah and Basrah. At least 1,500 rounds were also aimed at troops, the group says.

This conflicts with legal advice from the US Air Force in 1975 suggesting that DU weapons should only be used against hard targets like tanks and armoured vehicles, the report says. This advice, designed to comply with international law by minimising deaths and injuries to urban populations and troops, was largely ignored by US forces, it argues.

A six-page memo by Major James Miles and Will Carroll from the international law division of USAF's Office of the Judge Advocate General concluded in March 1975 that DU weapons were legal. But it recommended imposing restrictions on how they were used.

"Use of this munition solely against personnel is prohibited if alternative weapons are available," the memo stated. This was for legal reasons "related to the prohibitions against unnecessary suffering and poison".

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The memo also pointed out that DU weapons were "incendiary" and could have indiscriminate impacts in urban areas. "They may cause fires which spread thereby causing potential risks of disproportionate injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects," it said. "Precautions to avoid or minimise such risks shall be taken in the use of this weapon or alternate available weapons should be used."

PAX estimates that there are more than 300 sites in Iraq contaminated by DU, which will cost at least $30m to clean up. DU is a chemically toxic and radioactive heavy metal attractive to weapons designers because it is extremely hard and can pierce armour.

The author of the PAX report, Wim Zwijnenburg, said the US Air Force knew the harm that could be done by DU weapons and should not have used them in populated areas. "The use of DU against these targets questions the adherence of coalition forces to their own principles and guidelines," he argued. "They should be held accountable for the consequences."

US forces gave the GPS coordinates of DU rounds, along with a list of targets and the numbers fired, to the Dutch Ministry of Defence, which was concerned about areas in which its troops were stationed last year.

The Dutch MoD then released the data to PAX in response to a request under freedom of information law. The release of the information was a "useful first step towards greater transparency", said PAX, but the firing coordinates for most DU rounds remain unknown.

More than 300,000 DU rounds are estimated to have been fired during the 2003 Iraq war, the vast majority by US forces. A small fraction were from UK tanks, the coordinates for which were provided to the UN Environment Programme. A further 782,414 DU rounds are believed to have been fired during the earlier conflict in 1991, mostly by US forces.

The Democratic congressman, Jim McDermott, is now urging the US Department of Defence to publish all its DU firing coordinates. "These weapons have had terrible health ramifications for Iraqi civilians," he said. "The least the US could do is provide the specific targeting data so the Iraqi government can begin the complex clean-up process."

The US Department of Defence did not respond to a request to comment. One military source was "amazed" that the Dutch government had released sensitive targeting data.

You're a lying Uncle Sam semen sucker, Oralboy.

The illegal invasion of a sovereign nation is the ultimate war crime, despite your ignorant maundering on said topic.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan, plus numerous others, are USA war crimes.

For the internet in general: To bump is to bring a topic back to the top of "the list of topics with recent activity" (so that it receives more attention) by making an empty post.

There also is a secondary usage specific only to a2k: There is a bug that afflicts very long threads, where new pages do not appear until two posts have been made on them. When threads get longer-yet, new pages do not appear until three or even four messages have been posted on them. People have taken to making "bump" posts on longer threads to get past the handful of invisible posts and bring a new page into sight.

Since there are only 20 messages per page, if there have to be five bumps before a new page appears, that means 25% of each page is wasted.

If a thread gets so long that a new page does not appear until it has been bumped 20 times, the thread will probably become unviable (at least until the bug is fixed).

Indeed. Attacks that did not occur.

Agreed. Blaming the US for what other people do is silly.



Yes.

Correct again.

We should clean up the areas around destroyed tanks in all those places.



Easily affordable with the US' budget.