More American War in Iraq?

@oralloy,

You are a lying little Uncle Sam sockkucker. You really should be ashamed of your support for such vicious war criminals and terrorists.

You would be a highly honoured death camp guard/ commandant and given the drift of the USA you may well get a chance. Go for it little hitler.

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@oralloy,

Gulf War Syndrome, Depleted Uranium
and the Dangers of Low-Level Radiation

Desert Storm veterans along with the people of Iraq and Kuwait were
victims of one of the latest military experiments on human beings.
I believe that the ignorance was culpable and criminal.

by Dr. Rosalie Bertell

http://www.ccnr.org/bertell_book.html

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

You are a lying little Uncle Sam sockkucker.

Funny how you are unable to find even a single fact that I am wrong about (much less deliberately wrong about).

JTT wrote:

You really should be ashamed of your support for such vicious war criminals and terrorists.

Terrorists target civilians. The US has not targeted civilians in the past hundred years.

There may be the odd war criminal among our ranks, but nothing like what you portray.

JTT wrote:

You would be a highly honoured death camp guard/ commandant

You have me confused with the local sociopath.

I would be a highly honored smuggler in an underground railroad which rescued people from the clutches of such a death camp.

So would you, for that manner (at least, I believe you would join me in this). However, I would never be such a jerk about it.

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@JTT,

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Gulf War Syndrome, Depleted Uranium and the Dangers of Low-Level Radiation

Fiction.

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Desert Storm veterans along with the people of Iraq and Kuwait were victims of one of the latest military experiments on human beings. I believe that the ignorance was culpable and criminal.
by Dr. Rosalie Bertell

The ignorance is entirely on the part of the author. However, the author is not culpable for any crime. The author is merely a lunatic.

That's not to say we shouldn't clean up the area in the immediate vicinity of a destroyed tank (if it's in a populated area at least). But let's not blow the irrational hysteria way out of proportion.

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@oralloy,

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Terrorists target civilians. The US has not targeted civilians in the past hundred years.

Speaking of making a statement with no basis in fact. Nagasaki, Hiroshima, thousands of places all over Viet Nam, how did up to 500,000 civilians die in Iraq? If they all were "collateral damage", it sure puts to the lie the concept of pinpoint targeting. You need to get out of the basement and start reading.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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how did up to 500,000 civilians die in Iraq?

BULLSHIT numbers..........

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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how did up to 500,000 civilians die in Iraq?

BULLSHIT numbers..........

Collateral damage from Iraq II would have been about 10,000 or so.

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@oralloy,

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Source and more details & links @wikipedia

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

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Source and more details & links @wikipedia

Those figures count deaths that the US is not responsible for, like when one Iraqi kills another Iraqi.

I was only counting civilian deaths caused by Americans.

Those figures are also gross exaggerations, counting many "deaths" of people who never existed to begin with.

For instance, any time Saddam's regime (or later the insurgency) made a bogus claim about mass casualties, if that claim was repeated widely in the media, it was counted as valid by Iraq Body Count even though it was entirely fabricated.

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@oralloy,

When a country, the USA, illegally invaded Iraq it committed the ultimate war crime. The USA set the stage for the murder and mayhem. All that flows from that ultimate crime falls upon the shoulders of the USA. Just like Hitler and the Nazis. The only difference is that the USA has had a run of war crimes of over two centuries.

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JTT wrote:

Gulf War Syndrome, Depleted Uranium
and the Dangers of Low-Level Radiation

Desert Storm veterans along with the people of Iraq and Kuwait were
victims of one of the latest military experiments on human beings.
I believe that the ignorance was culpable and criminal.

by Dr. Rosalie Bertell

http://www.ccnr.org/bertell_book.html

Have you ever noticed how many crackpots use yellow background for their web pages?

Dr. Rosalie Bertell - American Loon

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Nothing depleted about ‘depleted uranium’

Disturbing photos of children

By Abel Bult-Ito
Global Research, January 22, 2006
news-miner.com and uruknet.info 22 January 2006
Theme: Crimes against Humanity, Militarization and WMD
In-depth Report: IRAQ REPORT, Nuclear War

Iraqi and visiting doctors, and a number of news reports, have reported that birth defects and cancers in Iraqi children have increased five- to 10-fold since the 1991 Gulf War and continue to increase sharply, to over 30-fold in some areas in southern Iraq. Currently, more than 50 percent of Iraqi cancer patients are children under the age of 5, up from 13 percent. Children are especially vulnerable because they tend to play in areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.

The Pentagon has been using radiooactive weapons for at least a decade and a half with full complicity of at least three White House administrations and Republican and Democratic congressional legislators. Conservatively, at least 300 tons and 1,700 tons of depleted uranium were used in the Gulf War and the current Iraq War, resectively. This is about 70 grams of depleted uranium per Iraqi citizen, and if inhaled or ingested, it is enough to kill them all.

Is this not radioactive genocide, especially when our troops used and continue to use most of the depleted uranium munitions in densely populated areas such as Baghdad and Fallujah? Depleted uranium has a half-life of billions of years. Consequently, Iraq will be a wasteland forever and essentially uninhabitable for anyone.

After the 1991 Gulf War, about 1 in 4, or 150,000, U.S. veterans came down with what is referred to as “Gulf War Syndrome.” Most of the ailments characteristic of Gulf War Syndrome are consistent with radiation or heavy-metal poisoning. Veterans’ children are now also born with higher proportions of birth defects and other genetic disorders, according to sporadic accuonts. The Pentagon continues to deny the harmful effects of depleted uranium or its role in Gulf War Syndrome.

As described by a report of the World Health Organization Depleted Uranium Mission to Kosovo, uranium can be found in rocks and soil and contributes to natural background levels of radioactivity. Depleted uranium is a waste product of uranium enrichment for nuclear reactors and is about 60 percent as radioactive as naturally occurring uranium. Depleted uranium is considered weakly radioactive.

Nevertheless, depleted uranium is considered nuclear waste and has to be disposed of accordingly, which is expensive and a potential environmental hazard. The nuclear industry must be very pleased the U.S. military has found a way to get this stuff off their hands cheaply.

Depleted uranium is really a misnomer, because the potentially harmful effects are by no means depleted. Research reports have found that when depleted uranium is ingested or inhaled, it can cause cancers and birth defects. It has considerable heavy-metal toxicity.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/nothing-depleted-about-depleted-uranium/1777

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

When a country, the USA, illegally invaded Iraq it committed the ultimate war crime.

Most people would consider genocide the ultimate war crime.

JTT wrote:

The USA set the stage for the murder and mayhem. All that flows from that ultimate crime falls upon the shoulders of the USA.

So if Canada invaded the United States, and during the invasion I decided to go murder my neighbor, that would be Canada's fault?

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@JTT,

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Nothing depleted about ‘depleted uranium’

Most of the fissile material is stripped out of depleted uranium.

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Disturbing photos of children

You mean those plastic dolls that are presented as birth defects even though anyone with half a brain can see that they are plastic dolls?

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Global Research, January 22, 2006

GlobalResearch.ca is well known for the fact that they never tell the truth, but there is more to them than mere incessant lying. When it comes to questions of radiation and physics, GlobalResearch.ca also are outright retards.

If anyone ever finds one of the articles where the retards babble about "radioactive atomicity", that is extra fun. You will not believe how stupid the retards actually are until you see it with your own eyes.

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uruknet.info

In other words, the lies in this article are sourced directly from al-Qa'ida.

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Children are especially vulnerable because they tend to play in areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.

There are no areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.

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This is about 70 grams of depleted uranium per Iraqi citizen, and if inhaled or ingested, it is enough to kill them all.

Don't go climbing around on destroyed tanks, and you won't have to worry about ingesting or inhaling any.

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Is this not radioactive genocide,

This is not in any way genocide.

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especially when our troops used and continue to use most of the depleted uranium munitions in densely populated areas such as Baghdad and Fallujah?

DU was not used at Fallujah. It is only used to punch through heavy armor.

I don't know if it was used around Baghdad. But if so, it was not used very much.

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Consequently, Iraq will be a wasteland forever and essentially uninhabitable for anyone.

Did I mention how goofy the kooks are who wrote this article?

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As described by a report of the World Health Organization Depleted Uranium Mission to Kosovo, uranium can be found in rocks and soil and contributes to natural background levels of radioactivity. Depleted uranium is a waste product of uranium enrichment for nuclear reactors and is about 60 percent as radioactive as naturally occurring uranium. Depleted uranium is considered weakly radioactive.

Wrong kind of depleted uranium.

Because the kooks don't have any idea what they are talking about, this paragraph actually understates their case instead of exaggerating. (Their wild exaggerations in other areas more than make up for it though.)

The DU used in armor-piercing projectiles does not come from enrichment byproducts. Rather it comes from fuel rods that were taken out of nuclear reactors and reprocessed, back when the nation was building its stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium.

The difference is significant. Such DU carries trace presences of highly radioactive isotopes that were created in the nuclear reactors.

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Depleted uranium is really a misnomer, because the potentially harmful effects are by no means depleted.

Try replacing the fissile material in a nuclear weapon with DU and see if the nuke still goes off.

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Research reports have found that when depleted uranium is ingested or inhaled, it can cause cancers and birth defects.

Even with the added traces of highly radioactive isotopes, DU is only mildly radioactive. We should clean up the immediate vicinity of any destroyed tanks (if they are in a populated area), but there is no cause for getting hysterical.

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It has considerable heavy-metal toxicity.

Maybe when it's in a soluble form. But any DU exposure that someone would get from standing next to a destroyed tank would be in an insoluble form.

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@oralloy,

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Re: JTT (Post 5702497)
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Nothing depleted about ‘depleted uranium’

Most of the fissile material is stripped out of depleted uranium.

Uranium in all it isotopes is a very very nasty heavy metal chemical poison but depleted Uranium is not a radioactive danger.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Re: JTT (Post 5702497)
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Nothing depleted about ‘depleted uranium’

Most of the fissile material is stripped out of depleted uranium.

Uranium in all it isotopes is a very very nasty heavy metal chemical poison but depleted Uranium is not a radioactive danger.

the media was all over that claim for a few years, we even had do-gooders calling for an international ban on the stuff.

From what I can see it looks like the #1 cause of war illness (other than PTSD) was the burn pits.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Uranium in all it isotopes is a very very nasty heavy metal chemical poison but depleted Uranium is not a radioactive danger.

The degree of chemical danger depends on whether it is in a soluble or insoluble form.

The radioactivity is indeed very low. However even low exposures should be avoided if they are unnecessary.

X-rays at the dentist or in a hospital are tolerated because they have a strong benefit. But that same low exposure would not be allowed if there were no point to the exposure.

If there are any destroyed tanks in populated areas, it would be a good idea to clean up the destroyed tanks and the ground surrounding them rather than needlessly exposing the locals to low radiation levels every time they happen to walk past the wreckage.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

we even had do-gooders calling for an international ban on the stuff.

"Do gooders" is a much politer name for those people than the one I use.

BTW, President Obama just signed the US up to the landmine ban.

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@oralloy,

It is the dust of the Uranium metal in the destroy armor getting into your body if you enter it that is the risk.

The anti-armor uranium shell burn inside a tank.

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@BillRM,

Whats your bullshit numbers, chump? What's your sources?

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