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More American War in Iraq?

 
 
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 04:31 am
As long as America and the West can smell oil in Iraq they'll always have an interest in getting their hands on it, so they'll support any group that promises to cut an oil deal with them.
"In war, one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests"- Winston Churchill
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 05:07 am
@revelette2,
Well we could allow US Blackwater type mercenaries to stop the drive on Baghdad as a thousand or so ex-US special forces mercenaries should be able to handed the ten thousands or so force threatening Baghdad without even working up a sweat.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 05:15 am
@BillRM,
Problem is, Obama is gutless like most politicians.
I could hardly believe my ears when I heard him say on TV a few years ago-
"Our aim in Afghanistan is not to defeat the Taliban, but to contain them and prevent them spreading their influence"
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 05:37 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
As long as America and the West can smell oil in Iraq they'll always have an interest in getting their hands on it, so they'll support any group that promises to cut an oil deal with them.

The US is not trying to get our hands on any Iraqi oil. We only insist that Iraq be allowed to sell their oil on the open market.

Our present interest in Iraq is that al-Qa'ida is trying to take over Iraq as the first step of their drive to conquer the entire world, commit genocide against all non-Muslims, abolish freedom and democracy, and make it a capital offense to teach a woman to read.

Many Liberals look favorably on such an outcome. However, the US in general would strongly prefer that it didn't happen.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 05:48 am
@oralloy,
The liberals might like to see Islam take over the world, but if that ever does happen, the libs will be the first to be hung from lamp-posts for being atheists, followed by gays, lesbians, and anybody else they don't like..Smile
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 06:24 am
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Iran has sent 2,000 advance troops to Iraq in the past 48 hours to help tackle a jihadist insurgency, a senior Iraqi official has told the Guardian.

The confirmation comes as the Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, said Iran was ready to support Iraq from the mortal threat fast spreading through the country, while the prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, called on ordinary Iraqis to take up arms in their country's defence.

Addressing the nation on Saturday, Maliki said rebels from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) have given "an incentive to the army and to Iraqis to act bravely". His call to arms came after reports surfaced that hundreds of young men were flocking to volunteer centres across Baghdad to join the fight against Isis.

Rouhani also made reference to the fact Tehran was cooperating with its old enemy Washington to defeat the Sunni insurgent group – which is attempting to ignite a sectarian war beyond Iraq's borders.

The Iraqi official said 1,500 basiji forces had crossed the border into the town of Khanaqin, in Diyala province, in central Iraq on Friday, while another 500 had entered the Badra Jassan area in Wasat province overnight. The Guardian confirmed on Friday that Major General Qassem Suleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards elite Quds Force, had arrived in Baghdad to oversee the defence of the capital.

There is growing evidence in Baghdad of Shia militias continuing to reorganise, with some heading to the central city of Samarra, 70 miles (110km) north of the capital, to defend two Shia shrines from Sunni jihadist groups surrounding them.


The volunteers signing up were responding to a call by Iraq's most revered Shia cleric, the Iranian-born grand ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, to defend their country after Isis seized Mosul and Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit in a lightning advance. Samarra is now the next town in the Islamists' path to Baghdad.

"Citizens who can carry weapons and fight the terrorists in defence of their country, its people and its holy sites should volunteer and join the security forces," Sheik Abdul-Mahdi al-Karbalaie, Sistani's representative, said on Friday in a sermon at the holy Shia city of Kerbala.

He warned that Iraq faced great danger and that fighting the militants "is everybody's responsibility, and is not limited to one specific sect or group," Associated Press reported. Karbalaie's comments have consistently been thought to reflect Sistani's views.

A colonel from the military command responsible for Samarra said Iraqi security forces were preparing a counter-offensive on Saturday. The army colonel, whom Maliki announced had been granted "unlimited powers" by the Iraqi cabinet, said reinforcements from the federal police and army arrived on Friday, according to AFP.

The officer said the reinforcements were for a drive against areas north of the city, including Dur and Tikrit, that militants seized in a spectacular assault this week. Security forces were awaiting orders to begin, the colonel said.

Sunni residents of west Baghdad said on Saturday that they had been menaced by Shia militias who taunted them with anti-Sunni chants. Baghdad has remained in virtual lockdown for the past three days as jihadists from the Isis threatened to storm the capital. However, Saturday morning saw relative normality return to deserted streets, with many residents returning to shops to gather stockpiles.

Residents of the capital offered little reaction to Barack Obama's statement late on Friday on which he appeared to condition renewed US military support on Iraqi leaders first making efforts to pull the country back from the brink.

The US and Iran, foes throughout the US occupation of Iraq, share a common interest in defeating Isis, and Iran has so far expressed no opposition to US threats to send military support to the beleaguered Maliki.

Meanwhile, Willaim Hague has held talks with the Turkish foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, "urgently to co-ordinate approaches to the instability in Iraq and links to Syria conflict", he said on Twitter. Britain is also to give £3m ($5.1m) of aid to Iraq as the first step in dealing with the humanitarian consequences of the insurgency by Isis.

The international development secretary, Justine Greening, said the initial tranche of emergency funding would allow agencies to supply water, sanitation, medicine, hygiene kits and basic household items.


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 12:21 pm
@revelette2,
Meanwhile Obama needs to think about what to do.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 12:33 pm
Former Obama Administration member sums up his foreign policy quite nicely

Quote:
US rspnse to 2 Syria, Russia, Iraq:

1) Huh?
2) We're watching this closely
3) With concern
4) Hey, stop-
5) We won't tolerate that!
6) Mmm. Whatever


source
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 02:36 pm
You know the more this situation is unfolding the more impressed I am that Saddam Hussein was able to hold the Iraq "nation" together for so many decades.

Seems that we for real screwed up big time when we removed him from power as it seems to take that level of SOB to hold the groups that made up this "nation" in check.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 03:09 pm
@BillRM,
That was obvious back in 2003. Taken a long time for that particular penny to drop.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 03:34 pm
@izzythepush,
Ditto Gaddafi and Titto. They were all three not nice guys but nice does not work to lead those areas. The choice is leaving guys like that in, or breaking the countries down into smaller units where the collectives are unified enough to hold together by choice.

What is not clear is why the West was OK with Yugoslavia breaking down, but has resisted the same solution for Iraq. We have yet to even start the think about how Lybia goes forwards.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 07:35 pm
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BillRM said about Saddam: Seems that we for real screwed up big time when we removed him from power as it seems to take that level of SOB to hold the groups that made up this "nation" in check.

Yes, and if he'd kept his trap shut he'd still be in power today, but he kept stirring things up by preaching hatred and terrorism towards the West, so they decided to shut him up.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 08:09 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You know the more this situation is unfolding the more impressed I am that Saddam Hussein was able to hold the Iraq "nation" together for so many decades.

Seems that we for real screwed up big time when we removed him from power as it seems to take that level of SOB to hold the groups that made up this "nation" in check.


That's some scary **** right there. What is impressive about enslaving an entire country, stealing it's wealth and invading neighboring countries? This is the start of things like holocaust denial conspiracies.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 08:18 pm
@McGentrix,
Are you referring to persecution of Shia in the Bafra region, murder by poison gas of Kurds, or relations with the Marsh Arabs? So much to choose from.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 09:02 pm
@McGentrix,
Not to mention raping and feeding women to dogs.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 09:11 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
I know.

What is it with these monomaniacal dictators?

It's not enough to absolutely rule a country the size of California, be as rich as Croesus, and have the power of life and death over everyone in your domain?

It's never enough for these guys.

If he had just kept his big trap shut and left his neighbors alone he could have had J-Lo sing for him on his birthday.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 09:49 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
What is impressive about enslaving an entire country, stealing it's wealth and invading neighboring countries?


The thing that is so impressive is the forming of a many decades functioning government of a nation that consist of groups of people who have a thousand years long history of hating and killing each other due to religious hatreds.

In fact a nation so stable under his rule that it took the military might of the most powerful nation on the earth to end his reign.

No he was not a nice man in fact he was a long scale cold blooded murderer and sociopath but it would seems that it take such a person to hold Iraq together and sharply dampen down the fighting between groups.

We are now just seeing the start of one hell of a religious war now that both Saddam and the American military is gone.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 09:56 pm
@BillRM,
For right or wrong, he left a much larger void than anticipated, wouldn't you say?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 09:59 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Not to mention raping and feeding women to dogs.


If you wish to see an example of hell on earth for women just look at the treatment of women under the Taliban in Afghanistan for the likely future of women in large areas of Iraq under Sunni Islamic fundamentalists control.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 10:07 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
right or wrong, he left a much larger void than anticipated, wouldn't you say?


Yes, I would say that and I also would say that if you are going to try to change the Iraq peoples and cultures to the point that they could live in peace together under a democracy government that would be a task of generations and even in the case of the English many generations rule of India the job was far from perfectly done.
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