@hawkeye10,
It's a weak argument, just as the argument that Bush or his Administration "did it too."
Despite the attempt to characterize the objects and concerns about this deal as petty partisan sniping, it has developed that concerns are far more bi-partisan than the White House would like to admit.
Quote:On Tuesday, Obama again asserted that his administration had been consulting with lawmakers “for some time” and had made clear that it might have to take quick action.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) pushed back, saying that Congress hadn’t heard from the Obama administration since 2011 on the possibility of a prisoner swap with the Taliban.
“I don’t know what he means by ‘consulted Congress for some time,’” Rogers said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “In 2011, they did come up and present a plan that included a prisoner transfer that was, in a bipartisan way, pushed back. We hadn’t heard anything since on any details of any prisoner exchange.”
Quote:Republicans got some backup from a powerful Democrat, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein of California, who criticized Obama for not looping in Congress earlier.
“Should we have gotten advance warning? I actually think so,” she said Monday. “We had participated in a number of briefings some time ago, and there was considerable concern.”
Quote:"[T]he White House is pretty unilateral about what they want to do when they want to do it," she said, adding that her whole committee was "very dismayed" about the administration's actions.
Feinstein before she received a personal apology from the White House (Deputy National Security Advisor Tony Blinken) for the "oversight." Can this White House ever be honest about anything?
Quote:Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) raised doubts Monday that Bergdahl was even in grave health — the reason provided by administration officials as to why they couldn’t abide by the 30-day notification requirement.
“There’s no indication of that other than what the president says,” Chambliss said, “and I don’t believe a thing this president says now.”
Chambliss got the "apology" too.
Quote:“I don’t like it when the White House says the Intelligence Committees were briefed. Because we weren’t. Dianne wasn’t. I wasn’t. Saxby wasn’t. [Sen. Richard] Burr wasn’t. And [Sen. Ron] Wyden wasn’t. And we are the five senior people,” said Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), a former Intelligence Committee chairman. “Even that I can live with, but when they say, ‘Oh yes, they were briefed.’ What they are referring to is 2011-2012 when I was still in grade school.”
Quote:“One of the issues I want to bring up: What is the precedent this sets or doesn’t set?” said Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska.).
Quote:“I asked questions about life-threatening illnesses. No one could say that this man, Sgt. Bergdahl, was in a life-threatening situation near death,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). “I also asked: ‘On a scale of one-to-ten, what kind of likelihood would exist for these guys going back to the fight after the year?’ And let’s put it this way: The answer was very disturbing. Likelihood being great.”
Quote:“At certain points, they were cutting people out of meetings because everything was being leaked [and] people were very skittish about being criticized,” the ex-official said. Former White House Counsel Kathy Ruemmler — who stepped down last month — was among those reluctant to buck the restrictions Congress imposed and Obama signed with reservations, the source said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/5-questions-white-house-bowe-bergdahl-107354_Page2.html#ixzz33iA3zdjn
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:Can this White House ever be honest about anything?
Sure, they just rarely seem to believe that being honest is in their best interest, which has to make you wonder about their judgment.
Quote:Feinstein before she received a personal apology from the White House
She has gotten a tad uppity since she decided that she has been lied to by the NSA and CIA. Good to know she can do it.
You had to know it was coming:
Quote:Appearing on the Today Show this morning, Chuck Todd reports that, in response to allegations of possible desertion by Bowe Bergdahl, White House sources are accusing the soldiers that served with him of "swift boating." Prior to the allegations made by those who served with Bergdahl, National Security Advisor Susan Rice had said Bergdahl served with "Honor and distinction." From the transcript of the Today Show:
Every [White House] aide I've talked to said they expected there to be controversy involving the decision to release five members of the taliban from gitmo, and the fact that this would then escalate that debate, which has been simmering for a good five years, which is what to do with those detainees, how do you release them, where do you release them. They did not expect this backlash on bergdahl himself. I've had a few aides describe it to me as we didn't know that they were going to swift boat Bergdahl. And that's a reference to that political fight back in 2004 over john kerry's military service, so there's some fighting words there.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-white-house-accuses-soldiers-who-served-bergdahl-swift-boating-him_794307.html
What's next leaked tax returns, medical records, parking violations?
The six former servicemen who have spoken out about Bergdahl are pretty brave; and, obviously, pretty pissed. I wonder if they realized that they would be attacked by the White House for messing with Obama's Victory Party? The irony is that these guys may not have even spoke up if Susan Rice hadn't proven that
if it's Sunday, she's lying with the bold statement that Bergdahl served with
honor and distinction. Now these vets are under attack because they had the temerity to call her on it. Hopefully this blatant attempt at intimidation won't silence these or other fellow servicemen who lived and worked with Bergdahl.
Apparently the Administration thought they had these guys sewed up with the forced non-disclosure signings.
And you also have to know that the White House has been searching far and wide for someone who served with Bergdahl and who will contradict these vets and tell us the young man did serve with honor and distinction. So far they haven't found anyone yet.
Instead of just accepting that they made of a mess of the whole affair and backing down and waiting for it to blow over, they have to double down and go on the attack...of veterans who actually did serve with
honor and distinction.
One can only hope the American people will have no stomach for this.
@Finn dAbuzz,
Someone should clue the adminstrations thugs in on the fact that the military is held in much higher esteem then they are. Smear campaigns will not go far.
Sarah Palin Then:
“Todd and I are praying for Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, his family, and all of his fellow soldiers who are putting their lives on the line to defend our freedom and protect democracy abroad,” Governor Palin said. “The capture of Private Bergdahl and the bombings in Jakarta prove that we have not defeated terrorism, and that radical extremists will stop at nothing to attack Westerners and our ideals.” July, 2009
Sarah Palin Now:
“No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs – even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages (http://nypost.com/2014/05/31/the-bizarre-tale-of-americas-last-known-pow/) while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot – is not “honorable service.” Unless that is your standard.” June, 2014
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Former Rep. Allen West (R-FL) Then:
“Then there is Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl still held by the Islamic terrorist Haqqani network, probably in Pakistan, in the same place where Osama Bin Laden was hiding. This past POW/MIA national day of recognition, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel reiterated a pledge to secure the young Army NCO being held captive, but have there been any actions? Any time, attention, or even mention from the Commander-in-Chief? Nah, no camera highlights in it for him.” December, 2013
Former Rep. Allen West (R-FL) Now:
“Ladies and gentlemen, I submit that Barack Hussein Obama’s unilateral negotiations with terrorists and the ensuing release of their key leadership without consult — mandated by law — with the U.S. Congress represents high crimes and misdemeanors, an impeachable offense.” June, 2014
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Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) Then:
“I would support. Obviously I’d have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing him home, and if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.” February, 2014
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) Now:
“This decision to bring Sgt. Bergdahl home – and we applaud that he is home – is ill-founded … it is a mistake, and it is putting the lives of American servicemen and women at risk. And that to me is unacceptable.” June, 2014
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Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) Then:
“As part of ongoing efforts to urge the Department of Defense to do all it can to find Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and bring him home safely, Senator Ayotte worked successfully to include a provision in the bill that presses Pakistan to fully cooperate in the search for SGT Bergdahl.” May, 2014
Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) Now:
“With 29 percent of former Guantanamo detainees having reengaged or being suspected of reengaging in terrorism, the administration’s decision to release these five terrorist detainees endangers U.S. national security interests. It also sets a precedent that could encourage our enemies to capture more Americans in order to gain concessions from our government.” June, 2014
Jim Inhofe, Republican senator
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) Then:
“The mission to bring our missing soldiers home is one that will never end. It’s important that we make every effort to bring this captured soldier home to his family.” June, 2013
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) Now:
“Well, my response is the president knew fell and well that these are the highest ranking Taliban people in captivity. And that’s the issue. It wouldn’t make any difference who Bergdahl was. [...] So they should have turned Hitler loose and that would have been the end of the war. No, that’s on his face, it didn’t pass the smell test.” June, 2014
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Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft Then:
Horrible. Obama to Leave US POW to Rot in Afghanistan After Withdrawal
Sgt. Bowe Robert Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban in 2009 in Afghanistan. Four months ago, his family in Idaho received a letter from their son through the Red Cross. He was still alive. But sadly it looks like Barack Obama is going to leave US POW Sgt. Bowe Robert Bergdahl behind.
Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft Now:
Figures. Obama Administration Promoted Bergdahl to Sergeant After He Reportedly Joined Taliban
In August 2010, the media reported that Private Bowe Bergdahl had joined the Taliban and was training jihadists on bomb-making techniques.
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Michelle Malkin Then:
“My prayers are with the family of Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl, the U.S. soldier seen on the Taliban abduction video released this weekend. The Jawa Report has the full clip. All Americans should hope and pray for his release from jihadi custody.” July, 2009
Michelle Malkin Now:
“Bergdahl is still scheduled for a promotion. For those who served with Bergdahl, I can only imagine this feels like a slap in the face. Many believe the move, and subsequent WH Rose Garden announcement, was timed to knock the VA scandal — a slap in the face to America’s veterans — out of the headlines. A cruel irony if true.” June, 2014
ollie_north
Oliver North Then:
“Today, I received from the National League of POW/MIA Families, a “Never Forget Bracelet” emblazoned with the name of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. He was seized on June 30, 2009 in Afghanistan and is being held by the Haqqani Organization – a Taliban afilliated terrorist group – in northwest Pakistan. Sgt Bergdahl and his loved ones here at home deserve our prayers and encouragement until he is rescued or released. That’s what we do. We’re Americans.” November, 2011
Oliver North Now:
“Someone paid a ransom. Whether the Qataries paid it, or some big oil sheik, or somebody used our petrodollars, but there was a ransom paid in cash for each one of them, my guess somewhere in the round numbers of $5 or 6 million to get Bergdahl freed. I know that the offer that was on the table before was close to a million.” June, 2014
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Rep. Rich Nugent (R-FL) Then:
“Last year, on the fourth anniversary of Sgt. Bergdahl’s capture, on the floor of the House of Representatives, I introduced a resolution in the House calling on the United States to do everything possible not to leave any members of the armed forces behind during the drawdown of Iraq and Afghanistan. Believe it or not, I had members of Congress come up to me and say, ‘I didn’t know we had a living POW in Afghanistan.’ That was shocking to me.” February, 2014
Rep. Rich Nugent (R-FL) Now:
“But what angers me so much about this situation is that knowing full well that there was strong opposition to a prisoner swap in Congress, the Administration decided to go behind our backs and release the detainees without the notification required by law.” June, 2014
Flip… flop… flip… flop…
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:Again, the Taliban detainees were classified unlawful-combatants. Unless you know the Obama Administration reclassified them as POWs, there would have been no obligation to release them at the end of hostilities (whenever that could be determined to have occurred)
There are really only two justifications for holding someone. If they are a captured enemy fighter they can be held as a POW until the end of the war. And if they are a criminal they can be prosecuted and convicted.
As unlawful combatants, these five were certainly eligible for prosecution and conviction. But unless we
actually did prosecute and convict them, the only justification for holding them would have been as a POW.
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:Quote:These men from Bergdahls unit were killed in action looking for him in the days immediately following Bergdahl's desertion
Are those Republicans, Democrats, or just dead?
In jurisdictions where there are no stringent voter ID requirements, dead people tend to vote for Democratic candidates.
@coldjoint,
Having a Democrat for president makes it a scandal. If a Republican had done it you folks would be wizzing your pants with joy.
@oralloy,
This is why there was an uproar over classifying these guys as unlawful-combatants because by doing so, the argument went, they could be held indefinitely.
It really doesn't matter whether you or I feel there was justification in holding them as unlawful-combatants. All sorts of arguments can be and were made for not moving ahead with trying them.
The point is that they didn't automatically revert to POW status after a set period of time without being tried, and unless the Obama Administration reclassified them as POWs (a question I am unable to answer) there would be no obligation to release them at the end of the war.
If they weren't POWs then we weren't going to lose the leverage of having them as detainees when the war ended.
In other words we didn't have to use them as bargaining chips before we withdrew our forces at the end of 2016. The Taliban had to think there was a possibility that these guys would never be released or they wouldn't have negotiated.
If you look at in terms of asset value, they got a much better deal that us.
Of course if you accept the importance of not leaving an American soldier behind (and I do) than the intrinsic and symbolic value of Bergdahl's release was very high.
After all, the Israelis traded 1027 prisoners for one of their soldiers Gilad Shalit in 2011, and, arguably, those 1027 men represented a greater threat to Israeli security that the Talban Dream Team represent to ours.
Ironically, Shalit's father accused the US of trying to block the exchange efforts. Support among Israelis for the deal was wide spread although not unanimous. Of course there was never any question about Shalit defecting or collaborating with his Hamas captors.
@edgarblythe,
You seriously want to play the game of who said what when?
@edgarblythe,
Comparing some of these comments made directly after his capture was reported to those being made now ignores the fact that everything that is known now wasn't known then.
Sure some of these folks have been talking out of both sides of their mouth for partisan reasons, but are you really suggesting this is trait is unique to Republicans?
A similar set of comparisons can be drawn between Democrats' statements prior to the start of the Iraq War and one to two years later.
Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee have recently stated that when the Administration discussed the possibility of exchanging these five detainees for Bergdahl they joined their Republican colleagues in expressing resistance to the idea. I suspect that they had well wishes for Bergdahl's family at the time he was captured as well. Did they flip flop?
@edgarblythe,
And for some folks, the fact that the president is a Democrat means that nothing is a scandal.
@Finn dAbuzz,
The proof is in the two faced statements I quoted.
@Moment-in-Time,
I've been curious, how is people know what he wrote to his family? Was his mail opened and distributed to the press?
In any case, whether he is guilty of desertion or not, (he could have been just talking about it and the coincidently got snatched, unlikely but possible) he still deserved to come home and if at the end of the day he is found guilty, deserves a trial with a lawyer.
Quote:A former Bush administration official broke with Republicans on Tuesday to defend President Obama’s prisoner exchange, arguing that since “the war in Afghanistan is winding down,” the United States would be required to return prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay back to Afghanistan.
“I don’t see how these particular Taliban officials could ever have been tried in the southern district of New York,” John Bellinger, who served as an adviser to President George W. Bush explained during an appearance on Fox News Tuesday. “They’re certainly some Al Qaeda detainees who committed actual terrorist acts against Americans who perhaps could have been tried in a federal court because they committed federal crimes, but these particular Taliban detainees I think could never have been tried in federal court.” Although some of the released prisoners posed a danger to the United States when they were captured in 2002, especially toward soldiers serving in Afghanistan, several of the detainees did not commit crimes against Americans.
Republicans — including former Vice President Dick Cheney — have blasted the administration for swapping five Taliban-linked prisoners to secure U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s freedom. They argue that the trade endangers Americans stationed overseas by sending top Taliban officials back into the battlefield and could inspire other terrorist groups to capture American service members in order to extract concessions from the United States. GOP lawmakers also claim that the administration circumvented a law requiring Congress to be notified 30 days before prisoners are transferred from Guantanamo Bay.
Asked about reports that Bergdahl deserted his unit, Bellinger added that the former hostage “will have to face justice, military justice.” “We don’t leave soldiers on the battlefield under any circumstance unless they have actually joined the enemy army,” he said. “He was a young 20-year-old. Young 20-year-olds make stupid decisions. I don’t think we’ll say if you make a stupid decision we’ll leave you in the hands of the Taliban.”
Though Cheney told Fox News on Monday that he would not have agreed to the deal, Bellinger stressed that the Bush administration “returned something like 500 detainees from Guantanamo.” Statistics from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence show that only 6 percent (5 in total) of Guantanamo detainees released during the Obama administration have potentially engaged in militant activities. That compares with a rate of nearly 30 percent under the Bush administration.
“I’m not saying this is clearly an easy choice but frankly I think a Republican, a president of either party, Republican or Democratic confronted with this opportunity to get back Sgt. Bergdahl, who is apparently in failing health, would have taken this opportunity to do this,” he added. “I think we would have made the same decision in the Bush administration.”
President Obama defended trade in similar terms Tuesday. “The United States has always had a pretty sacred rule, and that is: we don’t leave our men or women in uniform behind,” Obama said in Warsaw, Poland. “Regardless of the circumstances, we still get an American soldier back if he’s held in captivity. Period. Full stop.”
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