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When May I Shoot a Student?

 
 
Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 11:32 am
@parados,
It already works that way. Why else would we have elections?

More regulations on guns? You guys tried that in CO, and look what happened. The supposed majority passed additional gun laws, and the people who are represented by those politicians were removed from office in a recall election. They lost along with Bloomberg. A third politician was about to go down for the same BS, but she quit.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 11:37 am
@Baldimo,
They(Liberals/progressives) already control the media. The next step is to disarm the citizens. Look at Germany before WW2. And remember what Madison said about both of these things.
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parados
 
  2  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 11:38 am
@Baldimo,
You have made claims but provided no actual laws. But there is no federal law requiring ID to carry a gun. The Federal law is a one time check which would be similar to the one time registration which is also confirmed.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 11:49 am
@parados,
You don't like my answers on how ID laws effect gun owners, that's not my fault. I'm just telling you how it is. Being a gun owner and someone who votes, I can tell you that ID laws effect gun owners much more then they effect someone who is asked once a year for an ID.

As I have noted, this isn't a new debate. Voter ID laws have been being passed for more then 5 years, and if someone still doesn't have an ID, then I find that interesting. They have had more then 1825 days to get an ID, or start the process. As long as Dems keep putting up BS arguments, voter fraud will always be an issue. It doesn't matter how many times it has happened, it happens. Unless the percentage is zero, then you can't say it doesn't happen.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 12:37 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Consideration for illegal immigrants over citizens should be an act of treason.


Treason? That's a bit extreme, and similar to the language used by the Third Reich. What would you rather have, American crops unpicked and rotting in the fields, or perhaps pay agricultural workers more, which will send the price of food through the roof?

You benefit from illegal workers even though you may not realise it.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 01:38 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Treason? That's a bit extreme, and similar to the language used by the Third Reich.


Obama changes the law like the Third Reich.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 01:46 pm
@izzythepush,
Call it Nazi talk all you want, politicians in the US should be concerned with the US unemployment #'s and taking care of Americans, not letting criminals stay in the country just so you and I can have cheaper food.

Quote:
What would you rather have, American crops unpicked and rotting in the fields, or perhaps pay agricultural workers more, which will send the price of food through the roof?


What kind of choice is this? Once again no room for American workers? We have a lot of people in this country with no skills who are not working. Want a check, go get a job. No illegals should be working in this country until most Americans have jobs. If those Americans are not willing to take work that fits their skill sets, then I guess they go hungry. They shouldn't be too proud to work any job they can get. We have pushed education way to much in this country, to the point where young people won't take difficult jobs because they are seen as below them. Well when you have no skills, there is no job that is below you.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 01:54 pm
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Following a standing ovation at his address to the standing-room-only crowd, Dr. Ben Carson said that the current state of our government and institutions are "very much like Nazi Germany." Carson says, “You had the government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe.”

Carson warns that our country is in a precarious position, and that political correctness coupled with government intimidation prevents open and honest dialogue. He went on to say that this state of our culture is “creating a horrible schism that will destroy our nation.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/03/12/Exclusive-Dr-Ben-Carson-Our-Government-Is-Like-Nazi-Germany
Not all of us Doc.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 02:26 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Call it Nazi talk all you want, politicians in the US should be concerned with the US unemployment #'s and taking care of Americans, not letting criminals stay in the country just so you and I can have cheaper food.


Don't include me in this. I don't live in America. When I holidayed in America I noticed how ridiculously cheap food was over there. I could easily afford to eat out every night, there's no way I could do that back home.

Baldimo wrote:


What kind of choice is this? Once again no room for American workers? Well when you have no skills, there is no job that is below you.


Why aren't they doing it then? You tell me, don't blame the benefits system, because you've not got one worth mentioning. Maybe they're better off making cystal meth. Whatever it is, they're not rushing out to work.
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panzade
 
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Wed 12 Mar, 2014 02:52 pm
Undocumented workers pay 10.2 billion in state , local, income and excise taxes a year!
Quote:
How are undocumented taxpayers contributing such a large amount right now? The main reason is that the sales and excise taxes that fall most heavily (PDF) on low-income taxpayers don't depend on your citizenship status. Anytime you buy a cup of coffee, a pair of jeans or fill up your tank up with gas, you're paying state and local sales and excise taxes. Property taxes are similarly unavoidable-- especially for renters, who pay them indirectly because landlords generally pass some of their property tax bills on to their tenants in the form of higher rents. And many undocumented taxpayers have state income taxes withheld from their paychecks each year.

The $2 billion in new tax revenues ITEP estimates will be paid by currently-undocumented families as a result of legalization is the product of two factors. Most importantly, legalization will bring all undocumented workers into the income tax system. The best estimates are that about half of undocumented workers are currently “off the books.” But legalization will also likely bring a substantial wage boost for these currently-undocumented workers—further boosting state and local income tax collections as well.


The best way to help, Baldimo is to urge your Congressman to vote for IMMIGRATION REFORM!
Don't tell us how it should be; do something to help it be better than it is.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 12 Mar, 2014 03:04 pm
@coldjoint,
For what its worth, an example, please.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 03:10 pm
@panzade,
How much are they collecting in entitlements? So we grant "legalization" to illegals, and they will collect how much more in entitlements? They are in no way going to contribute more in taxes then what they get in entitlements.

And once again, what about citizens who do not have work now? If we grant legal status to illegal immigrants and they are now going to compete with citizens. Wages won't be effected, if anything wages will go down.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 04:00 pm
@Baldimo,
I don't know what you're bothered about. America is huge, try living on a tiny island with a population density significantly higher than yours.

UK 262 people per square kilometre

USA 32 .33 people per square kilometre

Your population could increase by a factor of 8 and you still wouldn't be as densely populated as us. So stop whining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density

In fairness you should take in another 6675.2 million extra immigrants. You'd still not be quite as densely populated as us, but that's about right.

Don't include me, I don't want to live in America.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 06:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
an example, please.

An example of what? You don't think I mean what I say? You really don't know much do you?
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 07:20 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Poor black people who've managed to vote without ID very well before now.
YES, very well indeed, too many times in the same election.
THAT is the reason for protesting honest elections.




izzythepush wrote:
Voter fraud is not a problem, therefore any attempt to enforce ID is voter fraud.
It's all about stopping people from voting.
The cheaters, yes. I believe that the USSC will support accuracy.


izzythepush wrote:
The only legitimate reason for changing the conditions of voting
are voter fraud. When I vote I never have to show ID.
Any attempt to change that is an assault on democracy.
No, but it is an assault on the Democratic Party.
panzade
 
  2  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 07:28 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
How much are they collecting in entitlements?

That's a good question and there are those that say that because you can't apply for food stamps or welfare unless you have papers they aren't getting much. Mostly free school lunches and such

And in 2011 alone they left 11 billion in Social Security and 3 billion in Medicare that they will never collect. It'll be disbursed to American seniors.

But if you can dredge up some figures I'd be interested.

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They are in no way going to contribute more in taxes then what they get in entitlements.

You say that as if you think Hispanics are lazy welfare collectors.
Nothing could be further from the truths. Their work ethic blows ours out of the water.
I've already shown you how the Red States collect more in entitlements than they contribute in taxes. And these are Americans.

In the end, with you, it's the fear of foreigners, a xenophobia rooted in racism.
Quote:
U.S. American xenophobia, based on the assumption that “our country” is defined by, and should maintain, its dominant white European heritage is rooted in the myth of the U.S. as a nation of European immigrants.

As Pat Buchanan said:"They are taking our country away from us"
No disrespect Bubba but the times they are a-changin' despite all the whining.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 12 Mar, 2014 08:48 pm
@panzade,
Quote:
No disrespect Bubba but the times they are a-changin' despite all the whining.


And liberty and freedom will be a thing of the past. Glad I won't be around to see it. But I will be in peace knowing I did not do a thing to help you idiots.
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JTT
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 08:49 pm
@Baldimo,
B: Are you ******* thick headed? Which laws? I'm not going through the list again. I have provided you with about every instance in which ID is required by the state and the feds in relation to guns.
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You do realize that you are describing yourself, Baldimo.

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JTT
 
  0  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 08:57 pm
@Baldimo,
B: politicians in the US should be concerned with the US unemployment #'s and taking care of Americans, not letting criminals stay in the country just so you and I can have cheaper food.
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Mr Law & Order. Why aren't you speaking up to have all the war criminals and terrorists that fill your government offices brought to justice, Baldimo?
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 13 Mar, 2014 02:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David, you don't want honest elections because your side loses. Stop pretending this is something it's not.
 

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