hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: and funded terrorists,
Well, sort of. Hussein paid stipends to the families of Suicide Bombers in Palestine.
Which for the deliberately obtuse; means "yep"
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: was a threat to the rest of the world.
Care to articulate exactly how?
History of attacking neighbors, seeking and using WMD's and like you just stated; funded terrorists.
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: 9/11 was the wake up call. We are no longer protected by oceans. We can sit and dig in and wait to be hit again and then retaliate, or we can take the fight to terrorists of the world.
Newsflash to the clueless: Iraq had nothing to do with 11th September.
Newsflash to the deliberately obtuse: where Bush does a lousy job of explaining the rationale, Tony Blair did so brilliantly. I know you've read the transcript. Your disagreement with the assessment is no excuse for your insults of people who don't. (cute, how you worked in the European date though :wink: )
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: The United States waited for a long time looking the other way while Nazi Germany murdered 6 million Jews. We finally waded in and, along with others, put a stop to it.
If you do a little research, you might find that the extermination of the Jews was something many Americans of the era agreed with. Just another one of those dirty little factoids of American History the far right tries to ignore.
Does this lessen the crime in any way?
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: Though on a much smaller scale, the atrocities in Iraq were just as horrendous and the comparison of going to war against the Nazis is a much better comparison than trying to compare Iraq to Vietnam.
So why have we not gone to war to prevent other genocides? Could it be that other nations (Cambodia, Rwanda, etc...) had no oil?
In keeping with your normal, deliberately obtuse viewpoint; you point out additional crimes as reason to
not stop one.
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: It's just this time that the terrorists took the fight to us first. And the president put the terrorist-harboring countries on notice at the very beginning - if you fund terrorists, if you harbor terrorists, if you commit terrorism, you are a terrorist.
And if you believe this, you are an idiot.
Totally uncalled for insult. You've done nothing to dispute Foxfire's statement. You've only demonstrated for the thousandth time that you think everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Since you are not an idiot, you should be doubly ashamed of yourself.
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: This I think should be the debate. Is it better to take the fight to them? Or wait until they bring it to us before we act?
Or how about we attempt to deal with the causes of terrorism, in order to avoid war, or would that not be as much fun?
I doubt Foxfyre considers this fun. But since you don't agree with him, you toss out unnecessary insults, which only serve to make you look childish.
hobitbob wrote:Foxfyre wrote: This I think was the thesis of the president's speech tonight.
After the prepared statement, I dn't think there
was a thesis, more like a feces.
Ah, finally, you've delivered an opinion. And a terrific addition to the discussion it was. You have an impressive knowledge of history Bob, and a fine mind. I wish you would use it for something other than deriding others a little more often
Grow up.
Edit= fixed boxes and a spelling error