Kerry's Doomed Mideast Plan

You have a source? The most excellently zionist VJL seems to disagree with you:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html

Nope. Science and archaeology are quite clear on the fact that the Israelis were around at the dawn of the Iron Age.

BTW, it only takes a moment to switch on the button for quoting replies properly.

The only natives in the West Bank area are the Israeli Jews.

Your denial of science, history, and archaeology is indeed all about oppressing those natives though.

Oops, I got my threads mixed up...

The Kingdom of Judea (and hence Judeans, the ancestors of the Jews) was founded when? Around the time of the LEGENDARY foundation of Rome, the 8th century BC?

Heroic babies sucking shewolf tits aside, Rome has been a site of human settlement for over 10,000 years...

Some history books!

How about if they use suicide bombers in a cafe with children in it?
Are they IDF then?

Come on. The Babilonians and the ancient Egyptians were fighting the Jews. I don't care what palestinian sources say. They have carbon dating for that.

But more importantly, none of this matters. Two peoples in that region have to live in peace side by side. History doesn't help solving that

Rome as an empire came late, it's been called the fifth empire, but Rome as a city/human settlement is much much older, and older than its own legend.

Indeed it doesn't matter, but I hate 'historical' falacies. There's usually an ideological motive. Why are you bringing that up if you think it doesn't matter?

I think you brought it up saying that in Roman times there were no Jews. That's just historically Wrong. Jesus was Jewish

That'd be a pretty ridiculous thing to say... Are you sure it was me???

Sorry, You're right - that was RABEL222

You are trying to talk reason to people soaked with ideology. They will not let the facts confuse them. Their world view is simple: Palestinians are oppressed angels, Israel is the Satan. Any facts challenging this view will be ignored.

"The way the Israeli settlers rejoiced when America was attacked on 9/11 "
What? What kind of ridiculous nonsense is this?

"mean they hate America"
Another lie. But ask your friends in the Arab world what they think about the US

I see you've not spoken about the 300+ plus children killed by the IDF in cast lead. Obviously some lives are more important/human to you.

Then again you took part in the slaughter of thousands of Iraqis. Arab lives don't mean anything to you.

"Why not try and persuade your Israeli government to quit the occupation of the territories so the Palestinians can breathe freely?"

Right after you persuade Palestinians to stop killing Israeli kids.

For the millionth time, stop ignoring facts for a moment. Israel started doing just what you want in 2005. It pulled out of Gaza completely, brutally uprooting Jews from their homes, but for an important purpose of "letting Palestinians in Gaza breathe freely". I'm asking you for the millionth time, tell me, why after they started "breathing freely" they haven't stopped killing Israeli kids? Why?

"The rockets continues because Israel refuses to quit building settlements on Arab land."

That land is disputed between Jews and Arabs - so no land is Jewish or Arab. But regardless. they pulled out of Gaza. You cannot just ignore that huge step. If you do, why would I expect you not to ignore any more pull outs. Next, when Israel leaves the West Bank, you will tell me that they have to leave Jaffo too. So what's the point in all of these pullouts? From what you're saying Israel should not give any more land to Palestinians because all they will do in response is kill kids.

"What did you think, that one morning the Palestinians woke up and decided to start sending rockets at Israel? "

Umm... yes!!! Should we look at Arab attacks on Jews pre-establishment of Israel?
Have you heard of the 1947 partition plan that Jews accepted and Arabs rejected and went on to murder Jews?
Have you heard of 1967 war Nasser started claiming he would throw the Jews into the sea?
All that happened before the occupation in the West Bank. Are you honestly not aware of all that, are you just in denial, or cognitive dissonance, or just deliberately ignoring facts that are in the way of your agenda?

"Surely you must realize the reason for the Arabs discontent against the Zionist nation?"

I like it how antisemites use "Zionist" as a bad word. Zionism is the movement for the establishment of the national home for the Jewish people. Yes, a very evil goal indeed. BTW, you are a Palestinian version of a Zionist if you don't know - you want a national home for the Palestinians , don't you?

"Abbas has asked repeatedly for Netanyahu to quit the settlement building while waiting for an agreement as to where the borders will go, and Bibi says in effect, screw you."

Here I agree with you. This is an idiotic move. Not by Bibi though, but by his housing minister - Uri Ariel. I personally don't like him at all

"The Israeli government has involved itself in ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. "
Lies!

"First chasing them from their homes and with the steady erosion of their benefits with their petty vindictive acts."
Show me where the government of Israel did anything like that - these are just lies.

"The Israelis keep the Palestinians afraid, shooting missiles into apartment complexes to get one target and killing many as a consequence."

You forgot to mention that there were Russian advanced Grad missiles launched from that apartment complex. But they were aimed at killing Israelis - so I guess for you that's an insignificant detail. After all those missiles were not aimed at Palestinians - so who cares. BTW, some of Palestinian rockets do hit their own land - maybe that will stop you from supporting rocket fire?

from the media: "One rocket, reportedly fired at the town of Sderot, fell inside the Gaza Strip. A second rocket was fired at the Sha’ar Hanegev region, and was thought to have landed in an open area. "

You hate Jews, but you love Palestinians, right?

"Allow me to let you in on a little secret. Let someone try to invade my land, take my land, and kill members of my family, I will try to kill the sucker and use every mean possible and would never give up until the bastard had left!"

You mean like the Arab invasion of Israel in 1948? or some other war the Arabs started against Israel?

"The Palestinians also realize Israel was planning to put all Palestinians into that ghetto hole and seize complete control of the entire West Bank."

Lies again! Israel offered them all of the 1967 land basically with some land swaps:

http://mondoweiss.net/images/2011/11/468-map.jpg

The Palestinians rejected it. Because they think it is just easier to keep firing rockets and wait for supporters like you to give them all of Israel. That's not going to happen even if you yourself go join them and start launching rockets.

"Ah, a real profile is emerging of you, the frightened Israeli. The Jewish Americans I interact with are my equal and I would not be able to stomach a servile, timid Jewish American as a friend. The Jewish Americans I know are sophisticated, highly educated, and hold top notch positions in all the Academic Disciplines....they are secular....I even have Jewish family members. "

Sorry to disappoint you, my antisemitic friend - I am not even Jewish, and I live in Canada. And if you ever visit Israel , you will see that the Israelis who you hate so much are also mostly "sophisticated and highly educated". Yes, Jewish, Arab, Druze, Beduin .. you name it. Sorry to burst your bubble of hatred.

"Jewish Americans I interact with are my equal" - ha! well, thank you for that your highness!

"I even have Jewish family members." - yes , yes.. the "some of my best friends" line - sure

"Observer, in your state of fear you realize Israel is in a losing battle and is sitting on a time bomb."
Nah. The US is sitting on a time bomb. All of Middle East, Russia, China etc are laughing at your president now. Israel may be not liked in the Middle East, but it is respected.

"Israel is regarded in the Middle East, as well as by many people in the West, as a colony led by white people (despite the fact that many prominent Israelis have their roots in Tehran, Fez or Baghdad ). "

You are admitting yourself that what you are saying is nonsense. What white people ? First of all - all the people in the Middle East are strictly "white". And you are being ridiculous. You admit that Israel is full of different origin people leading the country - you are making no sense at all. You are so proud of the US? Where is the female president of the US? Where is the Hispanic president of the US? Don't make me laugh "white people"..yeah, right.

It's funny how US antisemitism is trying to use the race card against Israel. Racism is your US problem - deal with it in the US, don't blame others

Where did this come from?
I didn't participate in the slaughter of anyone, let alone Iraqis.
If you are talking about my having served in Iraq, I plead guilty to that.
But since you know nothing about what I did in the service, your comment is way off base.

Why are you making the discussion about me anyway?

Wow! This is one of your worst rants!

You made a big deal about suicide bombers killing civilians and ignoring the hundreds of children killed by the IDF. It's clear you value Israeli lives more than Palestinian ones.

Terrorist is what the big army calls the little army.

You said that if they kill children, you call them IDF. I was simply pointing out that Palestinian suicide bombers also kill children.
I wasn't ignoring anything, you were.

But that didn't answer my question... why are you making this discussion about me?
I am not the subject of this thread.

You seem to be the mirror image of JTT. America, and by extension Israel, can do no wrong. Out of all the things on this thread, you choose to point out the Israeli casualties, ignoring those of the Palestinians, which are far far greater.

We had people blowing up pubs in Birmingham, funded by America. Despite that we were serious about peace. It's clear Israel isn't, but you want to let them off the hook.

I don't ignore what Israel has done, and I have repeatedly condemned it. If you ever bothered to look you would see that.
However, both sides are at fault, not just Israel.

But if it makes you feel better, I will say that the killing of children by the IDF is wrong and I strongly condemn it.

Now, are you willing to say that using suicide bombers to kill innocent Israeli's and tourists is also wrong, or will you continue to defend it.