Why are we here?

@Herald,

Why are we here? is unanswerable, even in principle. Why are we here rather than someplace else? is answerable in principle but probably not in practice.
I prefer to ask How did we come to be as we are?

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

Admittedly, but you may have a better explanation of the things and I may be missing something. That is why the communications are for.

Meaning, of course, the opposite. You think you have the better explanation and that everyone else is missing something. This is just a transparent, disingenuous set-up for your science denialism and god-of-the-gaps fallacy.

Speaking of:

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You see, we (the humans) are not the best fliers (without some auxiliary engine), we are not the best swimmers (the shark is much faster), we are not the best runners (the leopard may run at a speed over 180 km/h), we are not the best survivors (the Donos have managed to survive here on this very same planet for over 160 Mys, and we havn't made 200 000 yet), we are not the best centenarians (the duration of our life is not even closer to the that of the turtle and of the eagle), we are not even the oldest species living at present on the earth (the crocodiles are from 70 Mys here, and Veran de Komodo has been contemporary of the Donos), but yet we are on top of the food chain, and the only reason for that is our ability to communicate and to exchange information.

There's the lead-in to the denialism. The g0d-of-the-gaps fallacy will follow soon enough.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Meaning, of course, the opposite. You think you have the better explanation and that everyone else is missing something.

As you say it. If you are curious to know, I am using me in the impersonal examples to avoid endless and fruitless comments by some other people, but obviously it is 'mission impossible'.

FBM wrote:

This is just a transparent, disingenuous set-up for your science denialism and god-of-the-gaps fallacy.

     You are so omniscient, you always know what I am thinking (or I am trying to think) that I can't simply argue with you.
     RE: You see, we (the humans) are not the best fliers (without some auxiliary engine), we are not the best swimmers (the shark is much faster), we are not the best runners (the leopard may run at a speed over 180 km/h), we are not the best survivors (the Donos have managed to survive here on this very same planet for over 160 Mys, and we havn't made 200 000 yet), we are not the best centenarians (the duration of our life is not even closer to the that of the turtle and of the eagle), we are not even the oldest species living at present on the earth (the crocodiles are from 70 Mys here, and Veran de Komodo has been contemporary of the Donos), but yet we are on top of the food chain, and the only reason for that is our ability to communicate and to exchange information.
There's the lead-in to the denialism.      Realy! Can you explain the justification path of that profound inference of yours?
RE: The g0d-of-the-gaps fallacy will follow soon enough. ... said the prophet of the Big Bang 'theory' and started performing various measures ... like for example creating the Time component out of Notime (~T), & out of Nothing, & out of Nowhere ... & out of Having No Idea ... from where the Information about all that could come from.

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@Herald,

Snark instead of an argument? Again? How about some evidence for your alien/god/ILF?

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@Herald,

We are here because some random reactions took place and we are the result. Some random and rather uninteresting stuff happened and we are the product of that.

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@SH,

SH wrote:

We are here because some random reactions took place and we are the result. Some random and rather uninteresting stuff happened and we are the product of that.

Certainly as good a guess any any.

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@SH,

SH wrote:

We are here because some random reactions took place and we are the result. Some random and rather uninteresting stuff happened and we are the product of that.

True, but the main reason we are here is we survived the heat and radiation of the sun.

“You want people walking away from the conversation with some kernel of wisdom or some kind of impact.” Henry Dean Stanton

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@SH,

SH wrote:

We are here because some random reactions took place and we are the result.

Where are the complimentary events of the Bernoulli trial then?

SH wrote:

Some random and rather uninteresting stuff happened and we are the product of that.

Where is the function of stochastic distribution ... over the Universe?
You see, when your fellow-atheists say that it is stochastics they hope that everything will go, but the stochastics is not that case. The probability theory has its own laws and functions of distribution and unless any of them is found, no stochastics can be claimed.

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42. The answer is 42.

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@Herald,

What are the stochastic energy value of the particles your stochastic god/alien/ILF-of the gaps use to stochastically transmit informating through the stochastic hyperspace from trillions of stochastic years ago? What stochastic assumptions are you personally stochastically making about this god/alien/ILF? Why don't you have a Nobel Prize yet?

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@SH,

SH wrote:

We are here because some random reactions took place and we are the result. Some random and rather uninteresting stuff happened and we are the product of that.

Randomness plays only a minor role in it, they say. The properties of particles, atoms and molecules entail their behavior. Somewhere between absolute determinism and random chaos is a probabilistic alternative that seems to better match observed phenomena.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

What are the stochastic energy value of the particles your stochastic god/alien/ILF-of the gaps use to stochastically transmit informating through the stochastic hyperspace from trillions of stochastic years ago?

... and have you calculated how much is the probability for non-missing Information in the past 13.8 By period? What about the red shift? If the Universe is really expanding (as your favorite Big-Bang-of-the-Gaps 'theory' claims) this should not be detected only in terms of the light beams - it should be observed with any emission in any part of the Universe, incl. with the neutrinos for example. Where is your favorite red shift with the neutrino emissions? Besides that light cannot go through everything - through a massive planet or star of Black Hole, for example, unlike some other emissions that can pass through almost everything. In the end, light interacts with the matter, and if you don't know what the Dark Matter is for example, there is not way for you to verify whether the light has interacted with it 'properly' or not.
As far as the 'God-of-the-Gaps' is concerned, unless you explain from where the Big Bang has acquired all that huge amount of information to execute the structuring of the Universe, how much is that Information right now (estimated as ten trillion trillion terabytes if you like) ... after the greater part of it has been irretrievably lost, and how much has been the Entropy of the Big Bang at one Planck time?

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@Herald,

Have you personally tracked every particle interaction and phenomenon during the entire age of the universe? How did your god/alien/ILF/perhaps 25% Big Bang do anything at all? What do you personally know about it? How did you find out about it? Why don't you have a Nobel Prize yet? What evidence can you present to support your hypothesis? How many hairs does Juan Valdez have on the back of his hand? How many times does a whale fart on average per day? How many neutrinos passed through your thumbnail in the time it took you to type that post? You don't know? Hahahah! You can't explain anything! What a farce! Laughing

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

Why are we here? is unanswerable, even in principle.

Why ... is it impossible to prove that we (the humans) may exist without any special purpose & objective (if this is the unanswerable - 'impossible to prove wrong')? Everything in our Universe (except for the Big Bang 'theory' perhaps) has cause & effect: set of factors (causes) and phenomena (effects) - all the processes going into one direction only, most probably because of the property of Time 'to flow only in one direction'. Do we live out of time?! ... to be released from the causal nexus of the Universe?
The Big Bang 'theory' is released from the causal nexus because it is standing above the things - but where are we?

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@Josie Burness,

Josie Burness wrote:

The answer is 42

... what is the question?
The question is: Where are they, where is everybody - all those ILFs that should have emerged as a result of the operation of the randomness of the Big Bang 'theory' - and where are we?

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@FBM,

*cough*

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FBM wrote:

Have you personally tracked every particle interaction and phenomenon during the entire age of the universe? How did your god/alien/ILF/perhaps 25% Big Bang do anything at all? What do you personally know about it? How did you find out about it? Why don't you have a Nobel Prize yet? What evidence can you present to support your hypothesis? How many hairs does Juan Valdez have on the back of his hand? How many times does a whale fart on average per day? How many neutrinos passed through your thumbnail in the time it took you to type that post? You don't know? Hahahah! You can't explain anything! What a farce!

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Have you personally tracked every particle interaction and phenomenon during the entire age of the universe?

What about you. You are talking as if you are able to do anything of the kind ... even at first approximation.
'Hahahah! You can't explain anything! What a farce! Laughing

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@SH,

SH wrote:

We are here because some random reactions took place and we are the result. Some random and rather uninteresting stuff happened and we are the product of that.

And all started when were in a different form inside the sun, before the huge explosions that created the solar system.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
Have you personally tracked every particle interaction and phenomenon during the entire age of the universe?
What about you. You are talking as if you are able to do anything of the kind ... even at first approximation.
'Hahahah! You can't explain anything! What a farce! '

"If I wanted my own come back, I'd ask yer mom to spit."

I can do a helluva lot more with the Standard Model than you can with your alien/god/ILF. Very Happy

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I can do a helluva lot more with the Standard Model

     What about start explaining it ... with valid physical interpretations.
     ... 'a helluva lot more' is nothing, but a general talk.
     Suppose you have the 15-page math of the Standard Model. In the beginning it has some physical interpretation, because most of the formulas are taken from physical observations or physical experiments.
     You launch the math ... and go on 15 pages further with transformations and solving the equations, which is a purely formal process - it does not guarantee that the things that are derived are anything feasible and that they have at all any physical interpretation, especially in the end. In-between the Information gets cancelled, and what is the conclusion: the Big Bang does not have anything to do with the supply of Information for designing the structures of the Universe - the information must have been supplied by somebody/something else, or what?
     Without the verification and validation of the model & its results your math falls apart like a house of cards.

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