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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:41 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12189_10151189232446275_1369230493_n.png


There is no such thing as a legal limit on ammo sales.

Ever hear of the US Constitution?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:43 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Ate the manufacturers manufacturers or assembly lines or distribution depots?

How many parts are there in an AR-15. Where are the parts manufactured?


No idea. Sorry.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:47 pm
@oralloy,


It's clear that the moronic liberal left have no respect for the US Constitution.
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Sturgis
 
  3  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:51 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

oralloy wrote:
If someone were suspicious, the guard could issue a challenge and demand that the suspicious person comply with his orders.

McTag wrote:
If the intruder were armed and intent on murder, and the guard issued such a challenge, the smart money would not be on the guard in that situation imho.

oralloy wrote:
Keep in mind that the guard would also be armed, and if issuing a challenge to someone, would also be mentally prepared to react to aggression from the potential bad guy.





Keep in mind Oralloy, if a person is intent on going in and killing, they likely know the layout of the place and will come in with the gun ready to fire. The guard will have to take at least a second or 2 or maybe more to lift the gun and start firing and all while hoping there's nobody in back of the intruder who might be accidentally shot.

Then there are logistics.

How many schools are so small that 1 or even 2 guards would be able to protect the entire building? It's sort of like the schools which say they will leave only one way in and out. Okay, however there are other doors. The intruder can blast that door open and start shooting well before any guard can get to them. So you see, the idea of placing an armed enforcement agent or even a few of them, is ludicrous.

Further, since rarely is a school just one long horizontal line of classrooms, there would be the matter of how can a guard be protecting or doing anything around the corner and 300 feet away? Through a doorway, up or down several steps?

H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:53 pm
@Sturgis,


All good reasons to train and arm qualified teachers and staff.

Allowing teachers, staff and children to get slaughtered by armed evil doers is unforgivable.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:57 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
Foofie has a good point, with some good suggestions.


I think that was satire.



McTag wrote:
I say that gun owners (who are so keen to quote the Constitution) should require to join a militia, well-regulated by training and practices twice or more per week. Army-style physical tests would not be a bad idea either.


Militiamen do have the right to own machineguns, grenades/grenade launchers, shoulder-fired anti-tank missiles, and shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. And they have the right to keep them in their own homes. So for anyone wanting to possess the above weapons, militia membership is the way to go.

However, people have the right to own assault weapons even if they are not in a militia.

In any case, the government does not have a militia, even though they are required to have one. If you'd like to argue that the government should comply with the US Constitution and start having a militia that people can join, I'm with you. Time to break out the heavy weapons, IMO.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:59 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Time to break out the heavy weapons, IMO.


Many of the under informed think the AR-15 is a heavy weapon.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Notice that both Diane Feinstein and Pres. Obama are working to ban assault weapons.


Notice that most of the US House of Representatives, including most of the Republicans, most of the Democrats, and all of the leaderships of both parties, stand with the NRA in opposition to any ban on assault weapons.

Notice also that we have a system of courts that would not hesitate to strike it down even if it were actually possible for it to become law.



MontereyJack wrote:
Let's have no more of your contention that an assault weapons ban is dead.


It's dead. You can't pass legislation without the House of Representatives.
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:13 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
Keep in mind Oralloy, if a person is intent on going in and killing, they likely know the layout of the place and will come in with the gun ready to fire. The guard will have to take at least a second or 2 or maybe more to lift the gun and start firing and all while hoping there's nobody in back of the intruder who might be accidentally shot.


If the bad guys are coming in with gun in hand all ready to fire, the guard will have their own gun aimed at them before they even issue the challenge.

If the bad guys come in firing, the guard will just open fire without waiting for a challenge.



Sturgis wrote:
Then there are logistics.

How many schools are so small that 1 or even 2 guards would be able to protect the entire building? It's sort of like the schools which say they will leave only one way in and out. Okay, however there are other doors. The intruder can blast that door open and start shooting well before any guard can get to them. So you see, the idea of placing an armed enforcement agent or even a few of them, is ludicrous.

Further, since rarely is a school just one long horizontal line of classrooms, there would be the matter of how can a guard be protecting or doing anything around the corner and 300 feet away? Through a doorway, up or down several steps?


I bet guards in the building would get there before the police did from outside the building.

There are never any perfect solutions. But it is much better than having no defense for the students at all.
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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:16 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
You live in Georgia to?


No but I do live in the bible belt and you should know just as well as I do that many Christians believe in arming themselves.
JTT
 
  2  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:17 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Notice also that we have a system of courts that would not hesitate to strike it down even if it were actually possible for it to become law.


Notice the difference between Plessy v Ferguson and Brown v The Board of Education.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:20 pm
@Sturgis,
UOT has 50,000 students, and they are not armed.

How many guards will keep them safe?

Maybe, they can send in the Marines or National Guards.

Just plain stupid to contemplate such a stupid idea.
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:22 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Notice also that we have a system of courts that would not hesitate to strike it down even if it were actually possible for it to become law.


Notice the difference between Plessy v Ferguson and Brown v The Board of Education.


Good point.

The Democrats always want to pack the courts with judges who hate the Constitution.

A vote for a Republican is a vote for civil rights.


Still, for now, we have five justices on the US Supreme Court who think that the US Constitution is actually good thing.
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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How many guards will keep them safe?


I am not sure but I heard that columbine had an armed guard but I think he may be dead.

My bad I think he is still alive.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm
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Sturgis
 
  0  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
UOT has 50,000 students, and they are not armed.

How many guards will keep them safe?

Maybe, they can send in the Marines or National Guards.

Just plain stupid to contemplate such a stupid idea.

Precisely!

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:25 pm
@Sturgis,
Stats from nces.ed.gov on largest schools in America.

Quote:
The 100 largest public school districts had larger average school enrollments compared to the
average for all school districts (673 vs. 514) as well as a higher median pupil/teacher ratio (15.3
vs. 15.0) (table 1).


That translates into 67,300 students. How many armed guards will keep them safe?

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BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You can't see the forest for the trees; without guns, those two firemen would be alive today.


LOL without fire we would not need firemen in the first placed and trying to get rid of over 300 millions firearms in the US along with the knowledge that would allow any small metal working shop to produce more is about like trying to get rid of fire.

JTT
 
  1  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:36 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
is about like trying to get rid of fire.


You'll have to pry that fire from my cold dead hands!
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
We believe in hand gun vending machines
Region Philbis
 
  2  
Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:55 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
The apparent [Webster] gunman was found dead at the scene
one less gun nut on the planet...
 

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