Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

The same Sudafed rules should be applied to voting for president

Then I assume that you are the #1 Moron.

You are way too easy Waterdude.

Rap

Your assumptions have all been incorrect and your failure trend continues.

Speaking of trends, Florida just issued its ONE MILLIONTH concealed carry permit today, crime at a 41 year low!!

In my opinion, those that value having a gun to protect themselves and family may not be addressing the poor image that seems to be in the minds of some relating to the "gun culture" aficianado. Meaning, to a non-gun owner like myself a gun range may also serve as a place where men, eager to enhance their macho image, can bond with other males in a gun version of koom-ba-ya. In other words, owning a "sexy" semi-automatic weapon may be akin to buying a new car in the late 1950's where the newest style of "tail fin" added tremendous prestige to the car owner.

Again in my opinion, if gun owners had the image of a doctor handling his/her vaccination injections, the opposition to guns may not believe that gun owners themselves have guns for possibly an over compensation for no other means to bond with people, or that type of macho bonding may be really preferable, if one wasn't the high school football hero?

You see, if a good citizen has his/her house burglarized, and the semi-automatic weapon winds up in the hands of the bad guy, not to mention the loose laws in purchasing semi-automatic weapons, the idea of responsible gun ownership falls on many a deaf ear in the anti-gun community.

I believe those that advocate the right to protect themselves and family with a gun should stop wanting their cake and eat it too, so to speak. It is just too easy to buy a semi-automatic weapon when there is a parallel constituency of gun fetishists that own guns, in addition to the good, responsible citizens.

I believe that gun owners need to clean up their image, so to speak, and change the image of gun owners, where some people think of some gun owners as having a gun for possible male bonding needs, and may be overcompensating for flaccid appendages. Oh yes, and no tobacco chewing at the gun range; bad image too.

For a start, all guns should be pink, with ribbon decals showing ponies and kittens. Let's make guns non-macho.

What assumptions Waterdude?

The Assumption that the Aurora shooter started with a shorgun, and then went to the AR-15. The Assumption that the Smith & Wesson M&P 15 is another version of the AR-15, or the Assumption that you are a moron?

In all cases, my assumptions have been corroborated, with references.

Again you are way too easy.

Oh BTW there's this little Concealed Carry Tidbit



Rap

Foofie, what color should all vehicles be painted?
Should they have rainbow unicorns and Obama stickers on them so they are
more enticing to young urban car-jackers that go on to kill innocent people.

Moron.

Waterdude, your repartee is becoming a little redundant--are you feeling particularly stupid this morning?

Rap

This is not about image, nor masochism, nor about owning something "sexy," nor about a gun fetish.

Let me explain it to you as simple as possible.

Two scenarios for you: 1) you disarm people 2) you don't disarm people. I believe you are responsibility for your actions which are greater than your responsibility for inaction (everything else being hypothetically equal). So if you disarm the people you have created an obligation to protect the people you disarmed. Are you willing to take on that obligation?

Yes guns as security blanket phenomena is real, just as cell-phones are security blankets for parents who have kids. And we do have a gun culture in America, just as there is tech culture in America. It is also an important part of our culture that many in the world do not understand. Really strange, considering it developed with European thinkers. Freedom is an important value to each of us in America and we are referring to individual freedom, not group freedom.

U B A Moron.

Doesn't New York have some really strict gun control measures in place?

4 FIREFIGHTERS SHOT, 2 KILLED WHILE RESPONDING TO FIRE IN WESTERN NEW YORK

The Blue state insanity continues

Foofie has a good point, with some good suggestions.

I say that gun owners (who are so keen to quote the Constitution) should require to join a militia, well-regulated by training and practices twice or more per week. Army-style physical tests would not be a bad idea either.

@ none of what you said is to be taken seriously, right?

McTag, stick to Australian politics, especially since you have showed such ignorance. By "militia" the founding fathers in the 18th century meant every able bodied male in the nation.

Alexander Hamilton, one of the founding fathers, now will explain to you your ignorance in more detail:

“The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year."

Poor poor Waterdude--its must be tough to be born without a brain.

Rap

Rap is an under-informed moron

Merry Xmas Waterdude--hope you finally get those two brain cells you so desperately need.

Hee Hee Hee

Rap

Wow. You really don't understand plain English. Let me explain. If there are 2 statements and the first statement misrepresents the argument of your opponent then the second statement refutes the misrepresented argument, that is a strawman fallacy. If the first statement quotes the actual argument and the second makes fun of the argument that is not a strawman fallacy. It may be another fallacy but it is not a strawman.

I don't have a double standard at all. You just don't seem to understand fallacies and how they work.

Wait back up....

Then you go on to say

Then you go on to say...


You're flinging contradictions right and left man.
So you're saying that by first calling my analogy a strawman, was just wrong, since it wasn't a strawman at all?

I'm afraid it is you who don't understand plain English language nor how fallacies work, with your double standards in your head.