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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
raprap
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:11 am
Another example of Oraboy using an infantile excuse to skip a simple question.

Another example of superior whining.

Rap

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raprap
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 12:15 am
@oralloy,
OraBoy, why would anybody believe that you know anything about the US Constitution?

Rap
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 02:09 am
@RexRed,
A "well regulated militia"
means a non-governmment militia,
as distinct from "selected militia".





David
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raprap
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 02:27 am
@oralloy,
Oraboy--why do you continue to ignore facts? The Aurora shooter (unlike you I refuse to acknowledge his name) started with the shotgun, switched to the AR-15 with the 100 round clip, abandoning it after it jammed after shooting about 30 rounds and then went to the handguns.

This is a well documented timeline--one that you continue to ignore. Perhaps it is because it is in conflict with your superior attitude about the 'truth.'

wikipedia wrote:
It is also alleged that the gunman threw a canister emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[10] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[11] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds.[11][12][13] Finally, he fired a Glock 22 handgun.[14][15] He shot first to the back of the room, and then toward people in the aisles.[9] Some bullets passed through the wall and hit people in the adjacent theater 8, which was screening the same film.[2] Witnesses said the multiplex's fire alarm system began sounding soon after the attack began and staff told people in theater 8 to evacuate.[16] One witness said that she was hesitant to leave because someone yelled that there was someone shooting in the lobby and that they shouldn't leave.[17]


Rap
OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 02:29 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
Second, I find LaPierre's position, and the NRA position, and the gun-nut position that "more guns will make us safer" to be an absurd proposition, which is what I pointed out.


Better to leave children defenseless?
THAT is what liberals and mass-murderers want.

HOW coud Andrea Yates have drowned
her 5 children in the bath tub,
IF thay were armed ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 03:07 am
@parados,

How about we jail any liberal that commits any crime for 4 years?

Would you agree to that Parados?
McTag
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 03:10 am
@oralloy,

Quote:
If someone were suspicious, the guard could issue a challenge and demand that the suspicious person comply with his orders.


If the intruder were armed and intent on murder, and the guard issued such a challenge, the smart money would not be on the guard in that situation imho.
McTag
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 03:27 am
@McTag,

Good guy, but hat wrong colour, and no badge

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9q-07b9pfg0won3TUIgdKa31M94CCXWlXTUoVe0-MQAqoNH3D
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 03:48 am
@McTag,
... and obviously the NRA and its supporters don't like the 1rst amendment, see: this pettition
OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 04:39 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Good guy, but hat wrong colour, and no badge

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9q-07b9pfg0won3TUIgdKa31M94CCXWlXTUoVe0-MQAqoNH3D
He needs guns. Does he need a badge ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 04:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
a persona non grata

Has he a right to be here ??
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spendius
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 04:48 am
@oralloy,
Ate the manufacturers manufacturers or assembly lines or distribution depots?

How many parts are there in an AR-15. Where are the parts manufactured?
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 05:27 am
@spendius,
hingehead
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 05:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
@all

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12189_10151189232446275_1369230493_n.png
spendius
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 06:10 am
@reasoning logic,
The lady grossly underestimates the cost of the gun culture.
H2O MAN
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:46 am
@spendius,
1. Everyone with an IQ higher than a thermostat setting knew sooner or later that Obama was going to go after the 2nd Amendment with a push for more gun control. That’s why gun sales are at an all-time high right now. Democrats absolutely hate the idea that a private individual American can own a gun for the purpose of self defense. They really hate the idea that one of the primary reasons our founding fathers included the 2nd Amendment in our Constitution was a recognition of the fact that a free people always should have the means to defend themselves from a despotic government. Democrats are the embodiment of a despotic government. It is perfectly natural or them to fear an armed citizenry.

2. Democrats find it much easier to push a gun control agenda than they do to deal with issues of true and vital importance to our Republic. When we are mourning and burying 20 young children the emotions of the people are raw. It’s time to exploit those emotions for political gain. Americans, unfortunately, will never be this emotional about the fiscal disaster they face. And I’m not talking about this meaningless “fiscal cliff.” I’m talking about our nearly $1 trillion … that’s TRILLION … in unfunded liabilities and our current unsustainable level of spending. The highest in terms of our gross domestic product ever. But you’ve read all about this in the mainstream media, haven’t you? Oh, you haven’t? Well, I’m sure they’re preparing their in-depth stories right now.

3. This year 446 school age children have been shot in Chicago, and 62 have died. There has been NO push from the left for gun control resulting from the carnage in Chicago. Odd, don’t you think? By the way, Chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country. I’m sure you’ve seen these statistics on your favorite network television newscast, haven’t you? Wait! What?

4. The media will NEVER go to any great lengths to report on the use of privately owned firearms in self-defense. This is not part of the leftist agenda. There was a shooting in a mall in Portland, Oregon a few weeks ago that was reportedly halted by a private citizen with a concealed carry permit and a weapon. When the shooter saw the weapon he promptly shot himself. You didn’t hear that on your mainstream newscast, did you?

5. During a spate of school shootings in the late 1990s no less than three of those school shootings were halted by a civilian with a gun. One shooting was stopped after two students had already died by an assistant principal who had to run a quarter-mile to his car and back to get his gun. He couldn’t park his car on school property because there was a gun in it. Would someone be alive today who is dead and buried if that assistant principal hadn’t had to make his little half-mile run? You haven’t heard about those incidents in the mainstream newscasts, have you?

6. In the past week we have had two stories about a 14-year-old at home without an adult when a burglar entered the home. In one the 14-year-old knew where his dad’s gun was, and knew how to use it. The intruder was shot. In the other the 14-year-old had no means to defend himself. His father found his body when he came home from work at the end of the day. He had been shot. Have you read a juxtaposition of these two stories in your mainstream newscast? Didn’t think so.

7. Obama says he will introduce legislation to close “The Gun Show Loophole.” There IS NO gun show loophole. The federal laws pertaining to purchasing a firearm at a gun show are exactly the same at a gun show as they are anywhere else in this country. When a private individual sells a firearm to another private individual there is no requirement for a background check. When a licensed firearms dealer sells a gun to an individual a background check must be performed before the weapon is transferred. When a private individual at a gun show sells a firearm to another private individual there is no requirement for a background check. When a licensed firearms dealer at a gun show sells a gun to an individual a background check must be performed before the weapon is transferred. The operation of law is EXACTLY the same at a gun show as it is anywhere else. Therefore, as I said, there is no “gun show loophole.” Now I’m thinking that you haven’t heard this from your mainstream media outlet, have you?

8. The true purpose behind this “close the gun show loophole” idea is to make the sale and transfer of firearms between individuals impossible by requiring a private individual to conduct a background check before selling a privately owned gun to another individual. Private individuals do not have the legal authority to access the information necessary to perform the background check. This would mean that Americans could only obtain a firearm through a federally licensed firearms dealer. Consider the consequences. Has this angle been covered in the mainstream media? Uhhhhhh ….. no.

9. In response to the Sandy Hook shootings Obama will introduce legislation calling for more extensive background checks. A more extensive background check would have done nothing to prevent the deaths of these 26 people. The shooter underwent NO background check at all. That’s because he did not purchase the guns. His mother did. By all accounts his mother could have passed any conceivable background check. You’ve already seen this covered in the mainstream media, haven’t you? You haven’t? Golly! I’m just soooo surprised.

10. Obama wants an assault weapons ban. We had one of those and there is not one bit of empirical evidence that the ban saved one single life. Some weapons are designated as “assault weapons” simply because they look like they should be carried by a soldier, even though they are less powerful than your average hunting rifle. Can you tell me why putting a hole in the stock of a gun for your thumb, or making the stock out of grey plastic, should make it illegal?

The problem we face in this gun control debate bears so many similarities to the problems we face in much of our national political discourse. The media has chosen sides, and haven chosen sides, contrarian information will be blocked and the public will not have the details necessary to make informed choices.
Neal Boortz
About Neal Boortz
H2O MAN
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:49 am
@raprap,
Quote:
... AR-15 with the 100 round clip


Moron.
raprap
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 08:14 am
@H2O MAN,
Why do you call yourself a moron Waterdude?

wikipedia wrote:
The Smith & Wesson M&P15 is Smith & Wesson's version of the AR-15 rifle with which Smith & Wesson reentered the rifle market in January 2006.


Rap

BillRM
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 08:14 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Democrats are the embodiment of a despotic government. It is perfectly natural or them to fear an armed citizenry.


Given how when ever and where ever the Republicans are in power they do their very best to stop or limit the power to vote from valid voters groups that do not support them I would say that they are far far more the party of despotic government then the Democrats.

Being on the right side of the gun debate does not take away their other sins.
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H2O MAN
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 08:28 am
@raprap,
Rap is #2 Moron
 

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