Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

It's about limits to bear arms in accordance with our Constitution. What I wrote was,
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The Court stated that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to regulation,

The congress has the right to impose "limits" on arms in this country; believe it or not!

Too bad you're unable to understand the English language which I posted with bolded letters. I never said anything about ownership of guns. Show me where I said such a thing.

Of course I understood that. But you stand for a regulation to decrease guns in America (which you've made quite clear with your criterion to do so, which was clearly based on problematic logic). Nowhere does the courts support that.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Imagine a room in which there are 100 people none of whom have a gun...and a different room in which there are also 100 people, of which 50 have guns.

All other things being equal, would you say the chances of someone getting shot in the latter room is greater or lesser than someone getting shot in the former?

You're clearly looking at that one the wrong way. Here's the right way to look at it:

Bingo games or a PTA meeting going on in both rooms; simultaneously lunatics walk into each room and pull out thompson submachine guns with a clear intent to perpetrate massacres.....

NOW, which room would you rather be in??

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@Val Killmore,

Of coarse I would love to see a decrease in guns in this country. That doesn't negate the fact that the Constitution allows some people to own "arms." At least, I understand the Constitution.

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@Val Killmore,

I note, by the way, that Lustig has started a new gun thread on A2K. It took Oralloy a few minutes to find it.
This thread has, he says, about run its course. He declares himself to be the winner here.
Oralloy will no doubt sleep well. For the last 12 hours he has posted a message about guns every six minutes on average. Well done.

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@reasoning logic,

OMG I need one of those to go varmit hunting!!!

Rap

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@raprap,

It was only a joke I do not have one. I was just curious how many people give a damn about what I share is all.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

He declares himself to be the winner here.

Correction. I noted that the NRA has won, in the nation.

Note again, that the House Democrats stand with the NRA in opposing a ban on assault weapons.

I don't really see this thread as a "competition" that would really have a winner.

That said, I do note the failure of anyone to challenge my facts. (Though credit should mostly go to those facts being unassailable, and not due to anything on my part.)

I didn't know he had just started that thread (if that is the case). I only saw it when I did because I was on my way to start my own thread.

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@gungasnake,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5204948)
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Imagine a room in which there are 100 people none of whom have a gun...and a different room in which there are also 100 people, of which 50 have guns.

All other things being equal, would you say the chances of someone getting shot in the latter room is greater or lesser than someone getting shot in the former?

You're clearly looking at that one the wrong way. Here's the right way to look at it:

Bingo games or a PTA meeting going on in both rooms; simultaneously lunatics walk into each room and pull out thompson submachine guns with a clear intent to perpetrate massacres.....

NOW, which room would you rather be in??

Nope...the way I asked the question was just fine.

If you really want to use Bingo game rooms...fine.

Imagine a bingo room filled with people and no guns in it whatsoever...and a bingo room filled people each of whom had a gun.

All other things being equal...would you say the chances of someone getting shot in the latter room is greater or lesser than the chances of someone in the former getting shot.

Most bingo rooms, Gunga...don't have lunatics walking in with Thompson submachine guns.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Most bingo rooms, Gunga...don't have lunatics walking in with Thompson submachine guns.

Only because most bingo rooms do not have my grandmother in them and by the way I do not appreciate you calling my grandmother a lunatic even though most women's psychology changes when the moon does. Drunk

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

That doesn't negate the fact that the Constitution allows some people to own "arms." At least, I understand the Constitution.

You don't even begin to understand the Constitution.

It protects the rights of nearly all Americans to own assault weapons, and to carry handguns when they go about in public.

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@Val Killmore,

Like I said, you don't seem to comprehend basic English.

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@Frank Apisa,

Yea, most are seniors like us who are just looking for some "mental" activity and a little gambling.

My wife goes to a church social every Thursday, and they gamble on an Asian card game. She can lose up to .10c for an afternoon of "gambling."

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@oralloy,

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I noted that the NRA has won, in the nation.

What have they won?

You seem to be ignoring the many gun owners who do not support the NRA's positions--and that includes some that are members of the NRA, as recent polls, which have already been posted in this thead, have revealed.

This is another poll result

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Third, gun owners who were not NRA members were more supportive of gun control than guns owners who were NRA members. Forty percent of non-NRA gun owners supported a national gun registry. Forty percent supported a ban on the sale of magazines with more than 10 rounds. Thirty-six percent supported a ban on semi-automatic weapons—a striking figure given that almost every gun sold today is semi-automatic and gun owners would be likely to know that.

To be sure, this means that the majority of gun owners—regardless of whether they belonged to the NRA—opposed many forms of gun control. But on the other hand, this list of gun laws did not include some popular proposals. For example, gun owners, regardless of NRA membership, appear to support criminal background checks.

What these poll results show is that the coalitional politics of gun control is more complex than you might think after LaPierre’s speech. This is not a world with gun owners on one side and those who do not own guns on the other. Two of the policies most discussed in the wake of the Newtown shootings—a ban on assault weapons and a limit on the size of magazines—will attract support not only from those who don’t have a gun in their house but from those who do, especially if the gun isn’t theirs and also if the gun is theirs but they are not NRA members.

Gun owners do not speak with one voice about gun control, and, for many gun owners, Wayne LaPierre does not appear to speak for them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/23/gun-owners-vs-the-nra-what-the-polling-shows/

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

oralloy wrote:
I noted that the NRA has won, in the nation.

What have they won?

There will not be any attempt to ban assault weapons.

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@firefly,

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Mostly the manufactures, but to get the support they need the owners, just like the Republican leadership, represents the .01%ers, but need the misinformed Middle Class to get elected.

Using wedge issues is the process for both!
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@oralloy,

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There will not be any attempt to ban assault weapons.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Does the NRA represent gun OWNERS or does it really represent gun MANUFACTURERS?

Mostly the manufactures, but to get the support they need the owners

That shows the perils of asking an uniformed boob for an answer.

The manufacturers see no problem with an assault weapon ban. They only pay lip service to opposing it because we would boycott them into bankruptcy otherwise.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

oralloy wrote:
There will not be any attempt to ban assault weapons.

It's already over.

Most of the House of Representatives, including most of the Republicans, most of the Democrats, and the entirety of both leaderships, stand with the NRA in opposition to a ban on assault weapons (never mind the fact that the courts would simply strike it down if it passed).

There may or may not be a ban on large capacity magazines. But your hopes for an all-out assault on the US Constitution.... Not going to happen anywhere other than in your imagination.

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@H2O MAN,

h2o says

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As for guns, safety devices such as body armor make sure people survive accidents better,

Right, "accidents" like someone shooting you. Not exactly what I would call an accident. People very very rarely try to run somebody else down with a car (with of course exceptions like the woman who was totally pissed that Obama won and her husband didn't vote, so she ran her husband down with her car in a mall parking lot. Typical mentality). Cases aren't parallel, but then you knew that before you posted, didn't you?

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