Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@MontereyJack,

Try to not weasel out of the study by harvard law school which I've posted.

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@firefly,

I don't think it's "fatalistic" at all; it's the reality. Analogous to our politics, there are some things that will "never" improve, because there are people on both sides of every issue.

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@MontereyJack,

There are different levels of "gun control." What most of us seek for the ban on all guns will never happen in this country - even though I personally support such a ban.

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@MontereyJack,

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90,000 schools in the country. 90,000 volunteers to work full-time five days a week for no wages to provide armed guards? Dream on, Wayne. Public funds to pay 90,000 additional full-time public employees?

So our children lives are not worth the cost is that what you are trying to sell us here?

It worth taking the constitution rights of many tens of millions of US citizens in an attempted to protected our children that have a zero chance to work but not to hired or set up security that would greatly increase the security of our children?

Most of the schools in my area already have police officers on campuses with the school system having it own police force of hundreds of officers.

As I said I question if a large percent of the numbers of people who are anti-guns care about the welfare of our children and are just using these killings as an excuse to promote their own anti-gun program.

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@Val Killmore,

Really? So why does the US lead the UK by huge percentages in rates of violent death and violent assaults?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/blow-on-guns-america-stands-out.html?src=me&ref=general
(link has a table of world statistics that won't reproduce in the a2k system, but we're at the bottom amongst major developed countries)

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@Val Killmore,

Gun control is going to work in the US with as many guns or more then there are adults in the nation and a history and culture and constitution that is for armed citizens?

We are going to go down the path of the UK where the pistol team needed to leave the country to practice and where even swords and air rifles are control?

Dream on my friend.

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@BillRM,

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@MontereyJack,

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90,000 schools in the country. 90,000 volunteers to work full-time five days a week for no wages to provide armed guards? Dream on, Wayne. Public funds to pay 90,000 additional full-time public employees?

So our children lives are not worth the cost is that what you are trying to sell us here?

No, you idiot, I'm saying that at a back-of-the-envelope calcualtion, that would cost somewhere wellnorth of four billion dollars a year to pay for and the NRA sure ain't bonna pay for it, and the Tea Party sure ain't gonna pay for it. It's just more NRA smoke and mirrors.

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@MontereyJack,

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(link has a table of world statistics that won't reproduce in the a2k system, but we're at the bottom amongst major developed countries)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/12/19/opinion/1220OPEDBLOWforweb/1220OPEDBLOWforweb-articleLarge.jpg

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@Region Philbis,

Thanks, Reg

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@Region Philbis,

RP, Thanks for that statistics on gun ownership and homicide by guns; it provides an insight on how different country's with different levels of gun ownership differs a great deal. The only generality I can draw from those numbers is that the US with the most guns results in the most homicides - by far.

I just wonder how the restrictions on different kinds of guns will impact those numbers?

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@BillRM,

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/67941_4315114429102_41307638_n.jpg

it's time to educate the dumbasses...

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

RP, Thanks for that statistics on gun ownership and homicide by guns; it provides an insight on how different country's with different levels of gun ownership differs a great deal. The only generality I can draw from those numbers is that the US with the most guns results in the most homicides - by far.

I just wonder how the restrictions on different kinds of guns will impact those numbers?

you can start here to get to "not much"

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Gun murders grab headlines, but more Americans die every year from gun suicides than gun homicides. In 2009, for example, almost 11,500 Americans were killed by someone else with a gun, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but more than 18,000 killed themselves with a firearm.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-gun-control/2012/12/21/6ffe0ae8-49fd-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html?hpid=z2

gun control advocates play fast and lose with the numbers to cover up the reality as they drive towards their political goals. those 18,000 are going to die by gun no matter what we do, access to guns is to them a public service and they will always have it.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Really? So why does the US lead the UK by huge percentages in rates of violent death and violent assaults?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/blow-on-guns-america-stands-out.html?src=me&ref=general
(link has a table of world statistics that won't reproduce in the a2k system, but we're at the bottom amongst major developed countries)

So now you're referring to

Here let me help you interpret the data.
Mexico compared to America has a lower average fire arms per 100 people, however the number of homicides by firearm is clearly more than America. Keep in mind that Mexico has one of the strictest gun laws. What does this mean? This means law abiding people are the only ones that the stricter laws affected. The criminals don't abide by laws and all the gun laws in Mexico didn't stop guns from getting into the hands of individuals with criminal intent, as such the child injury deaths and assault deaths were higher than America.
Other countries besides Switzerland are worthless comparison as there weren't a high volume of guns in their market to begin with and they don't have a gun culture.
Now Switzerland has a gun culture similar to America with wide ownership and availability of guns similar to America. Looking at Switzerland (and Finland) just shows us that there isn't necessarily a link between the availability of guns and violent crime in society.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Gun control is going to work in the US with as many guns or more then there are adults in the nation and a history and culture and constitution that is for armed citizens?

We are going to go down the path of the UK where the pistol team needed to leave the country to practice and where even swords and air rifles are control?

Dream on my friend.

Read the entire study from the link I gave you.
The analysis shows that gun control won't have any significant effect to deter crime nor murder in America, and very simply, the ability of law-abiding citizens to possess firearms has helped reduce violent crime in America.

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@hawkeye10,

Do you really think that an argument against gun control hawk?

Blimey!!

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@MontereyJack,

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I'm saying that at a back-of-the-envelope calcualtion, that would cost somewhere wellnorth of four billion dollars a year to pay for

Well even giving your back of the envelope full faith and credit we are a nation of 300 millions plus with a GNP of many trillions and just have one lottery drawing worth half a billion dollars and had launch space probes worth up to a billion apiece so four billions off hand does not seem that great a price to pay.

However if the society would decided that the price is too high to save the lives of a few dozens children every few years at the hands of mad men so be it.

In my area the cost would be near zero as we already have school systems with their own county school police departments with many hundreds of officers on the school campuses.

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@Region Philbis,

Thank ya'.

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@BillRM,

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the used of passwords to be shouted out is one solution and of course with teachers you can placed a badge to hang around the neck in the same locked box as the gun

That would work just great in a movie theatre.

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@hawkeye10,

You,

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gun control advocates play fast and lose with the numbers to cover up the reality as they drive towards their political goals. those 18,000 are going to die by gun no matter what we do, access to guns is to them a public service and they will always have it.

That's where you are totally wrong. What makes you think political goals to cut the numbers and types of gun ownership is wrong?

You never have the mental capacity to discuss any topic with common sense - because you don't have any.

Your "not much" doesn't explain anything of value. Each life has value.
Committing suicide by a gun is not only wrong-headed, but gives up on life that may turn out to be productive - if given the chance.

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@farmerman,

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Sandy Hook was a "gun free zone". Thats like sending a message that
"Should anyone attack this school, we warn you that we shall throw pencils and erasers at you"

Exactly, and most educators say that an armed guard present would not be conducive to a learning environment.
That's why most guns should be taken out of private hands.

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