Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

i am not arguing gun control, I am arguing for a honest and correct appraisal of where we are and of what change in law might reasonably accomplish.

WHOA BUB, scientifically life is at the moment of conception, because that is when the embryos has its own unique DNA.
Now are you going to suggest that a fetus' life has value and abortion is wrong?




That's what you've been doing so far. You and a few others are staying behind the corpses of the 27 murdered in Connecticut to push your anti-gun agenda in this thread, when this thread is in reality to commemorate and remember the victims who were murdered in cold blood by a nut job, parented incorrectly by a moron mother.

Which I highly doubt: more than 1 million of "private arms" in Swiss households (that's more than 60%) are actually government owned = army weapons.

[There has been a widely published discussion in Switzerland recently, because more than 300 people per year are killed by army weapons and about 50% of suicides are done with them.]

You are one stupid jerk. Quit while you are behind; only you interpret posts with your own imagination - where stupid people like you can only do.

1957 is about the time commercial TV broadcasting was legalised in the UK and when rapid economic growth was taking place with a rock and roll soundtrack and the importation of American cultural values along with faster social and economic mobility and the decline in Christian morality.

You could have said the same thing about cigarette smoking several decades ago, but we worked to significantly decrease smoking, we took on Big Tobacco, and, most importantly, we changed attitudes toward smoking, and smokers, we instituted better regulations and controls, and there are many fewer people in the U.S. smoking today.

We can do the same thing with gun possession and gun control--we can work toward changing attitudes about both. At the moment, it's the gun makers and the NRA shaping those attitudes, just as Big Tobacco shaped the attitudes toward smoking in the past, and just as Big Tobacco denied the extent to which people were being killed by their products, and lied to the public, and tried to make their products even more addictive, we now have the gun makers, and their champion, the NRA, doing the exact same thing for the exact same sorts of reasons--it's in the interest of their profit motive.

The gun makers aren't any more invincible than Big Tobacco was--but you have to muster the will and determination to fight them. You can't do that if you keep saying, "there are some things that will "never" improve." Things can and do improve when you start changing attitudes. That's why the momentum generated by this latest slaughter of children cannot be allowed to dissipate, it has already helped to change attitudes, and it has already begun to foster serious discussion of better controls and regulations, and that discussion must continue. And we are the ones who must make sure it continues by not letting up on our elected representatives and officials until they take some sort of action in the direction of better regulation and control of guns in this country.

There won't be any changes in the law until the matter is given a full and frank airing and a proper national debate conducted.

I imagine that suicides would be reduced if a search for a rope and a strong beam had to take place. Such a search might provide a cooling off period.

You might be right; but I have little hope about guns in this country. There are too many who own guns. Cigarettes are purchased regularly - every time someone runs out. With guns, once purchased, it's always there.

Most people who own guns don't see it as a health hazard - like cigarettes.

With this past tragedy in Conn, many people are now aware, but how that translates into less guns in this country is the issue. More people bought guns after that tragedy. There's a huge difference how people perceive guns and cigarettes.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/a/157075/gun-sales-increase-after-the-tragedy-in-connecticut/

But you completely ignore why some people might be "anti-gun".

You completely deny or ignore the extent of gun violence in our country.

You completely deny or ignore the fact that, even though there are certainly other methods of killing, beside the use of firearms, we have a significant problem with deaths and disabilities due to gun violence in this country--a daily problem that plagues children and adults in our inner cities, and a problem that has also plagued the commuter trains, houses of worship, shopping malls, movie theaters, and schools in our suburbs, where we have seen mass shootings.

If you stop ignoring and denying the problem we have with gun violence in this country, you might understand why some people are "anti-gun".

And calls for better control and regulation of firearms, and ammunition, do not necessarily indicate an "anti-gun" stance--they also indicate a call for a more responsible, and safer, atmosphere in which to allow guns.

You would like to move the argument from the schools to a movie theater how amusing however if I was in such a theater and exchanging fire with a mad killer and the police showed up I would drop my weapon at once as a matter of course and let them deal with the shooter.

However the likelihood of either I having been killed or the shooter being killed before the police show up would also be high.

Not a great problem one way or another at least compare with being in that movie theater with no means of protection when a mad man go on a killing spree.

Mr. Gura is going to convince the US Supreme Court to rule that Americans have the right to carry guns when they go about in public, even in our largest cities, so we're getting more armed good guys whether you like it or not.

Freedom haters sure do like to engage in name-calling whenever they are prevented from violating people's civil rights.

http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

I don't like the term Moron Mother.

Yes, I posted that she was irresponsible in my opinion, knowing her son had issues and yet, he was able somehow to gain access to her guns. And, that, knowing her son had issues, taught him how to shoot.

Here is a perspective of a "Mother" and what she calls out for, what she has dealt with, deals with, with a son like Lanza...............and the options she has to help him, so he does not become Adam Lanza, which obviously is her worst nightmare, fear. Not just for the safety of some, but for herself.

Freedom haters

[puking emoticon]

That's the USA in a nutshell, Hawk, playing fast and loose with the truth. Like father, like son, like government, like its citizens.

I very much doubt that.

Why didn't the deranged spokeman for the NRA use the expression "freedom haters" in his ridiculous spiel the other day?

If the allegation is of such importance to you why wasn't it to him?