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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:31 pm
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:
whadaya know. i like freedom


Hooray!
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oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:40 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
This is only the first step.


Nope. Arrow Mr. Green

Well, you might possibly do the gun show background check thing. But as for any assault weapons ban, nope. That's not going to happen.

The Democrats are not even going to try. If they did try, they would fail. And if they somehow managed to succeed, the US Supreme Court would just strike it down.

Assault weapons are here to stay, forever.
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JTT
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:42 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Well, I doubt there are any terrorists, as we don't intentionally target civilians.


Quote:
Systematically, the contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. You remember the assassination manual? that surfaced in 1984. It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror. This is a technique that they're using to traumatize the society so that it can't function.

I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these
things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.


You've tried this bullshit, Oralboy, in many a thread.

Oralloy:
Quote:
You can't show one case of the US targeting civilians in the past hundred years.


See,

http://able2know.org/topic/139022-4#post-4546284

oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:51 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Quote:
Systematically, the contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. You remember the assassination manual? that surfaced in 1984. It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror. This is a technique that they're using to traumatize the society so that it can't function.


The contras are not Americans. They were allies that that we reluctantly supported because we wanted to keep Communism out of Central America.
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:54 pm
@oralloy,
You are a bald faced liar. John Stockwell's article illustrates just what a lying piece of semen swallowing liar you are.

The link, which you ignored, illustrates again what a lying piece of excrement, apologies to excrement everywhere, you are.

The Contras were the US's boys, bought, trained and paid for by the felonies of the terrorist administration of Ronald "Nothing between the ears" Reagan.

The Contras, according to Reagan, were the equivalent of the Founding Fathers. The more one finds out about the US, it seems completely possible.
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Wilso
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:01 pm
@tsarstepan,
This entire discussion is a waste of time. Everyone knows what the result is going to be. The US only knows how to fight fire with fire, so the number of guns will continue to soar, and the number of gun related deaths, will continue to soar, and random massacres of complete strangers will continue. Ho hum, another day in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:02 pm
@oralloy,
Gotta face facts, oralloy. Your base is declining, big time. If you think gun control would mean mass repudiation of Obama and Democrats, you're living a pipe dream, a .223 inch diameter pipe dream. The number of American households ywith guns has declined by a third in the last 40 years.

Quote:
The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center.
...
Both studies also found that men were more likely to own guns, though the General Social Survey found that male gun ownership is down almost 20% since 1980. The Violence Policy Center's analysis of the General Social Survey data also found that part of the reason the gun owning population is declining is because those weapons are largely owned by white males, a group whose population is aging.
...




The surveys show that fewer people now own more guns. Ownership rates are much higher among Republicans (and we know there are fewer Republicans and they're aging fast). Remember what happened to Republicans in the 2012 elections.You're up a creek without a paddle, and someone peppered your canoe with buckshot and it's leaking like a sieve.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:05 pm
@Wilso,
You summarized that pretty well! It's a wonder this country still hasn't been drowning in its own puke! Look at our politics; they argue about no taxing the rich, keep spending on wars, but forget the American taxpayers. They're a bunch of moochers and takers. We fancy up-to-the-date war machines over health care for our citizens, our children's education, and our infrastructure that's badly in need of repair.

Wars are more fun!
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Val Killmore
 
  2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:08 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

@all
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/14588_10151184035026130_1817595408_n.png




Look at Huffpost on the anti gun propaganda.
This is a country of OVER 300 MILLION PEOPLE! You could collect headlines like that of murder incidents by objects other than guns over a series of a week from our nation. People who are actually persuaded by stories like this when they weren't previously persuaded are pretty gullible people.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:15 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy says:
Quote:
The contras are not Americans. They were allies that that we reluctantly supported because we wanted to keep Communism out of Central America.


No, the contras were supported enthusiastically and wholeheartedly by the Reagan administration (including the CIA's covert support for contra cocaine running to the US to finance their operations--google "Eugene Hassenfuss" if you doubt that). they were a bunch of murderous thugs who supported the far right authoritarians who'd run the country for decades. The US support was also counterproductive. Daniel Ortega, the Sandinista commandante, is now the twice-democratically-elected president of Nicaragua (and it isn't communist).
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:18 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

oralloy wrote:


How long 'til that clown accidentally kills himself?

And here comes the most racist propaganda since Pamela Rosa. Everyone knows when you conservative gunfacists are crying against any gun reforms that you are not including unfettered gun ownership for minorities like African -Americans or Hispanics, etc... but FOR UNFETTERED gun ownership for CONSERVATIVE WHITE MALES AND WHITE MALES ALONE. Any gun ownership by blacks, gays, Asians, Hispanics, and nonCaucasian males isn't in your ideal definition of what is defined by your racist, hate mongering, fear mongering definition of the Second Amendment.

Basically to sum it up, if you're NOT a WHITE CONSERVATIVE male then the second amendment doesn't apply to you. If you are a WHITE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN AMERICAN MALE then you should be able to own as many weapons as possible especially if it allows you to take down the democracy of the United States in order to create the more perfect RACIAL PURIST white males in control country of the USKKK.
No. WHERE did u get that??

Constitutionally, buying a gun is the same as buying a Bible or a newspaper.

"EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS" must prevail for every person in America; no discrimination.



David
hawkeye10
 
  4  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:21 pm
@Val Killmore,
Quote:
People who are actually persuaded by stories like this when they weren't previously persuaded are pretty gullible people.

must (80+) would rather be told what they want to hear than the truth. those of us who care a lot about where the truth is are real weirdo's....
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:37 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Gotta face facts, oralloy. Your base is declining, big time.


I'm not sure I have a base. But if I do, no it isn't.



MontereyJack wrote:
If you think gun control would mean mass repudiation of Obama and Democrats, you're living a pipe dream, a .223 inch diameter pipe dream.


No, any attempt at passing an assault weapons ban would result in a devastating blow to the Democrats, from which it would take them a long time to recover. And then the US Supreme Court would simply strike it down if it passed.

And they know it. Aside from the magazine ban, watch how fast the Democrats retreat on the issue of assault weapons.



MontereyJack wrote:
The number of American households ywith guns has declined by a third in the last 40 years.

Quote:
The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center.


That's OK. The households who do own guns own a lot of them.



MontereyJack wrote:
(and we know there are fewer Republicans and they're aging fast).


That's a fallacy. As young Democrats grow older, they morph into new Republicans.



MontereyJack wrote:
Remember what happened to Republicans in the 2012 elections.


Sometimes one party wins. Sometimes the other party wins.



MontereyJack wrote:
You're up a creek without a paddle, and someone peppered your canoe with buckshot and it's leaking like a sieve.


Setting aside for a moment the well-known fact that I'm a conservative Democrat, the Republicans are doing just fine.

They will need to reach out to Hispanics a bit more. But they are easily capable of doing that.
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hawkeye10
 
  4  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
journalists blow it again with all their wonder about why he went after this school for targets. the much more interesting question is why he would unload at close range four bullets into the brain of his mother, a person who had in recent years devoted almost her entire life to what she considered to be his best interests.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
tsarstepan wrote:
And here comes the most racist propaganda since Pamela Rosa. Everyone knows when you conservative gunfacists are crying against any gun reforms that you are not including unfettered gun ownership for minorities like African -Americans or Hispanics, etc... but FOR UNFETTERED gun ownership for CONSERVATIVE WHITE MALES AND WHITE MALES ALONE. Any gun ownership by blacks, gays, Asians, Hispanics, and nonCaucasian males isn't in your ideal definition of what is defined by your racist, hate mongering, fear mongering definition of the Second Amendment.

Basically to sum it up, if you're NOT a WHITE CONSERVATIVE male then the second amendment doesn't apply to you. If you are a WHITE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN AMERICAN MALE then you should be able to own as many weapons as possible especially if it allows you to take down the democracy of the United States in order to create the more perfect RACIAL PURIST white males in control country of the USKKK.


No. WHERE did u get that??


I suspect it was an emotional reaction to finding out that the Democrats are abandoning their push for an assault weapon ban, and focusing instead only on a magazine ban.
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Wilso
 
  1  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 01:00 am
@hawkeye10,
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/Wilso38/image_zps9b8a435b.jpg
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  2  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 01:56 am
@tsarstepan,
The NRA has called for armed guards in schools.

Makes sense.



McTag
 
  2  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 04:01 am
@H2O MAN,

Quote:
That golden shower on your face means it windy.


Pissing in the wind, is it? Maybe. They all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the world was round, as the old song goes.

To develop the "Gunfight" theme beloved by the NRA and other deluded individuals, when the police arrive and the "good guys" are loosing off at the "bad guys" and receiving fire, how will they begin to sort it out? Who do they shoot?

Still, "freedom" is paramount. To hell with civilisation.
Setanta
 
  4  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 04:25 am
@McTag,
Quote:
To develop the "Gunfight" theme beloved by the NRA and other deluded individuals, when the police arrive and the "good guys" are loosing off at the "bad guys" and receiving fire, how will they begin to sort it out? Who do they shoot?


This is exactly the point, and in my experience, you won't get a coherent answer. After the Virginia Tech shootings, you heard all this gunnut drivel about "if they had been armed." Yeah, right . . . if they had been armed, a lot more people would have been shot. Nobody knows who the shooter is, what he looks like--so the odds are high that one clown with a gun is going to shoot the first clown with a gun he sees. The police show up, to find the place crawling with clowns with guns . . .

Quite apart from that, the mere possession of a gun does not mean that the person concerned will know how to use it effectively, or do so under the pressure of events. As i say, i doubt you'll get a coherent response--these people are hysterical to begin with.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 22 Dec, 2012 04:35 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
--so the odds are high that one clown with a gun is going to shoot the first clown with a gun he sees.
Friendly fire.
 

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