Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

Liberal gun control

Is name calling your last resort after desperate measures of trying then failing in finding consistency with the logic in your criterion proposed to justify a ban on guns?

oralloy wrote:

But, even if someone proved that banning guns would save lives,
our freedom would still take precedence over everything else.

My god, you are seriously unwell to say something like that.

BillRM wrote:

Are cars more important then children as far far far far more children died in car accidents then by guns so are we uncaring for not banning cars?

Footnote as the ban the assault weapons people are unlikely to save one child and take attentions away from real solution such people do not care about children in my opinion they just wish to used the death of children to promote there own programs.

Congratulations are in order. When I don't have you on ignore, I've noticed that you've got the distinction of always making an impertinent and irrelevant analogy every single time. You've gotten this down to an art form. Did you study this somewhere or is it a natural talent?

Nonsense. There was nothing impertinent or irrelevant about his analogy.


You just don't like it because it shows the hypocrisy of the Freedom Haters.

Ultimately though when you compare the hazards of cars/transportation and firearms you also have to include a benefit analysis. As Cars/Transportation provide an almost universal daily benefit of moving people and goods they have a almost continuous universal use. Granted they are kinetic and as kinetic they present special hazards--consequently cars/transportqation requires licensing, and operator and equipment testing.

Firearms are another matter--unlike cars/transportation they are not used daily except fora very small fraction of the total population--moreover their effect on an even smaller portion of the population tends to create new hazards (suicide, accidents, murder, mass shootings).

In addition firearms are not safety certified (except at point of manufacture), nor is universal certification of users (daily or otherwise) , and only a small fractcion of firearms and users licensed.

Consequently, the comparison of firearms and cars/transportatioin is silly and frivolous.

But if we had tighter controls and restrictions on firearms, those would-be copycats couldn't so easily obtain their weapons.

December 21, 2012
Gunman Kills 3 in Central Pennsylvania
By EMMA G. FITZSIMMONS

A gunman in central Pennsylvania fatally shot three people Friday morning, including a woman who was hanging Christmas decorations inside a church, before being killed by police officers during a gun battle, the authorities said.

At least two Pennsylvania state troopers were also wounded after they responded to the attack.

The initial shooting took place inside the Juniata Valley Gospel Church near Route 22 and Juniata Valley Road near Hollidaysburg, Penn., a rural community about 40 miles southwest of Penn State University and 100 miles east of Pittsburgh, the authorities said.

The armed man, who has not been identified, fatally shot a woman in the church’s fellowship hall, where she had been decorating for a children’s Christmas party, said Philip McCaulley, the son of the chuch’s preacher. The woman, whose identity has not been released by the authorities, was in her 50s, said Mr. McCaulley.

While many details about the shooting, which occurred at about 10:30 a.m., remained unclear Friday afternoon, Terry Tomassetti, chair of the Blair County commission, said that after the gunman killed his victims he took off in his vehicle.

It was not immediately known where the other two victims had been shot.

When police officers blocked the roadway with their squad car, the gunman rammed the officers’ vehicle and opened fire, said Mr. Tomassetti, who was briefed about the attack by law enforcement officials. The officers returned fire, Mr. Tomassetti said, killing the gunman.

The relationship between the gunman and the other two victims is unclear.

“It is something rare in this area,” said Mr. Tomassetti; he said the population of the largely rural county was about 125,000.

The wounds to the state troopers were not life-threatening, and they were being treated at a local hospital, said Diane Meling, a spokeswoman for the Blair County Emergency Management Office.

It was not known whether either officer had been struck by bullets.

“The crime scene is spread out over a relatively large area,” Ms. Meling said. “The scene is now secure. There is no threat.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/us/gunman-kills-3-in-central-pennsylvania.html?hp

How long 'til that clown accidentally kills himself?

It's hard to believe the victims were unarmed

The woman at Juniata Valley Gospel Church had cooked food the day before for the funeral of the longtime pastor, said the Rev. James McCaulley, his brother. The central Pennsylvania church was still reeling from the Rev. David McCaulley's death when the woman returned to decorate the church hall -- named after the pastor of 58 years -- and bullets ripped through a window, he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/21/4-dead-including-gunman-in-rural-pennsylvania-shooting/#ixzz2FjlvEaQs

oralloy wrote:

How long 'til that clown accidentally kills himself?

And here comes the most racist propaganda since Pamela Rosa. Everyone knows when you conservative gunfacists are crying against any gun reforms that you are not including unfettered gun ownership for minorities like African -Americans or Hispanics, etc... but FOR UNFETTERED gun ownership for CONSERVATIVE WHITE MALES AND WHITE MALES ALONE. Any gun ownership by blacks, gays, Asians, Hispanics, and nonCaucasian males isn't in your ideal definition of what is defined by your racist, hate mongering, fear mongering definition of the Second Amendment.

Basically to sum it up, if you're NOT a WHITE CONSERVATIVE male then the second amendment doesn't apply to you. If you are a WHITE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN AMERICAN MALE then you should be able to own as many weapons as possible especially if it allows you to take down the democracy of the United States in order to create the more perfect RACIAL PURIST white males in control country of the USKKK.

And here comes the most racist propaganda since Pamela Rosa. Everyone knows when you conservative gunfacists are crying against any gun reforms that you are not including unfettered gun ownership for minorities like African -Americans or Hispanics, etc... but FOR UNFETTERED gun ownership for CONSERVATIVE WHITE MALES AND WHITE MALES ALONE. Any gun ownership by blacks, gays, Asians, Hispanics, and nonCaucasian males isn't in your ideal definition of what is defined by your racist, hate mongering, fear mongering definition of the Second Amendment.

Basically to sum it up, if you're NOT a WHITE CONSERVATIVE male then the second amendment doesn't apply to you. If you are a WHITE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN AMERICAN MALE then you should be able to own as many weapons as possible especially if it allows you to take down the democracy of the United States in order to create the more perfect RACIAL PURIST white males in control country of the USKKK.

A second point. A commentator here wrote "People have the right to carry guns when they go about in public." Fair enough with the appropriate permit, I guess, but I am hung up on the logistics. You strap on your weapon, get in your car and drive on public streets to the public library. But then you need to go to the grocery store or to my store with my adjacent private parking lot. What do you do with your gun when you get there?

You are studiously avoiding the information, that you provided, that clearly illustrates you are a liar, Oralloy. Why would that be?

A cynic might conclude that the NRA is trying to drum up sales of guns, which have been going down for years.

I am hung up on the logistics.