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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
oralloy
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 05:47 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
You are studiously avoiding the information, that you provided, that clearly illustrates you are a liar, Oralloy. Why would that be.


It would probably be because I'm telling the truth, and there is no information to the contrary.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 05:47 pm
@Val Killmore,
God, you're stupid! I'm outa here.
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 05:48 pm
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:
If "guns don't kill people", then US society must be completely ******* diseased, for the random mass killings of complete strangers to be so common.


Yes. We do have our flaws.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 05:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Of course not all murders will stop with a gun ban. But by golly, the mass murders can be drastically reduced and eventually stopped if we get an effective ban going here.


Hardly. You would just prompt the killers to use bombs.

And you don't get to impose a gun ban. Take a look at the Constitution.
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spendius
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 05:57 pm
@oralloy,
You wrote--

Quote:
The gun manufacturers know what will happen to them if they cross us. It's hard for them to forget because they have nightmares about it every night.


to which I replied--

Quote:
Why would they have nightmares about something that isn't going to happen because it's unconstitutional.


which caused you to say--

Quote:
It is not unconstitutional for us to boycott a gun manufacturer into bankruptcy if they cross us.


After the shooter killing his Mom with her gun in order to access her guns I am beginning to see what the problem is.

Have you lot had background checks?
H2O MAN
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 05:59 pm
@spendius,
Liberal gun control

http://i.imgur.com/p8IWx.jpg
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I'm outa here.


You promise?
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firefly
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:02 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The 24 news channels and them covering every small details of such killings with special note if it involved firearms are producing copycats in my opinion.

But if we had tighter controls and restrictions on firearms, those would-be copycats couldn't so easily obtain their weapons.

If Mrs Lanza had tighter controls in her own home, those weapons wouldn't have been available to her son. Similarly, if the government had tighter controls over gun availability, similar weapons might not wind up in the hands of the next mass murderer. At the moment, our national control and regulation of guns is every bit as bad as it was in the Lanza house.
Quote:
By the way I do not off hand remember this kind of coverage when the Oklahoma bombing occur or coverages of the funerals of the many children or others killed

I remember similar coverage of Oklahoma City--with emphasis on the children, in the day care center of that federal building, who were killed in that bombing. I will never forget the photo of a fireman holding a dead child in his arms, or the sadness of the memorial service for all the victims.

You seem to actively resent the news coverage that's been focused on the victims of this latest massacre, including their families--and that's where cable news has focused it's coverage, on the victims. What's the matter, does the coverage of all that grief and heart-ache, caused by gun violence, interfere with your telling us that freely available guns make us safer?

This latest massacre was a national tragedy, and it has been recognized as such, whether you personally feel that way or not. Our societal problem with gun violence is a national tragedy as well, whether you personally feel that way or not.

Everyone who loves a child can empathize with the heavy burden of grief the parents of those 20 children are going through, and that they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. They, and not just their children, are the victims of gun violence. And they deserve to be heard, and their children deserve to be remembered. I don't mind cable news affording them the opportunity to do that. Perhaps cable news should also cover more about the daily, but less newsworthy, gun violence that saturates our entire country--it's so unfortunately routine that it's usually ignored.

Sorry, these victims are what this shooting, and this thread, are really about--it's not about how many other means can be used to kill people beside guns, or whether the government might turn into a dictatorship, or whether we need to re-vamp our mental health care system--it's about the real people, most of them young children, who were killed last week--by gun violence. And we should mourn their loss.

If you don't like cable news paying so much attention to them, just change the channel.

Stop talking about guns, and their various features, long enough to really look at these faces, and to think about the tragedy of their loss.
http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/nf-sandy-hook-victims-1217.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1
raprap
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:03 pm
@BillRM,
Ultimately though when you compare the hazards of cars/transportation and firearms you also have to include a benefit analysis. As Cars/Transportation provide an almost universal daily benefit of moving people and goods they have a almost continuous universal use. Granted they are kinetic and as kinetic they present special hazards--consequently cars/transportqation requires licensing, and operator and equipment testing.

Firearms are another matter--unlike cars/transportation they are not used daily except fora very small fraction of the total population--moreover their effect on an even smaller portion of the population tends to create new hazards (suicide, accidents, murder, mass shootings).

In addition firearms are not safety certified (except at point of manufacture), nor is universal certification of users (daily or otherwise) , and only a small fractcion of firearms and users licensed.

Consequently, the comparison of firearms and cars/transportatioin is silly and frivolous. Something that I think you already know.

Rap



spendius
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:04 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The 24 news channels and them covering every small details of such killings with special note if it involved firearms are producing copycats in my opinion.


It has been explained to you Bill, albeit in an understated manner, that producing copy-cats is right up Media's street.

Can you think of any downside from Media's point of view, they have guards on their doors, as long as the incidents are paced is such a way that we don't get atrocity fatigue? The upsides would take 10,000 words to do them justice.
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H2O MAN
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:07 pm
@firefly,
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/11/10/1110_fthood_460x276.jpg
H2O MAN
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:11 pm
@firefly,
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/13FortHoodShootingVictims.jpg
Val Killmore
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Is name calling your last resort after desperate measures of trying then failing in finding consistency with the logic in your criterion proposed to justify a ban on guns?
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:16 pm
@H2O MAN,
Reply to all.

I am surprised that I haven't been taken to task for saying--

Quote:
The Constitution protects Media's right to do that.


TV broadcasting licenses being such an important factor in respect of Constitutional rights.

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oralloy
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:18 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
So, the NRA have spoken, and apparently they suggest the "Gunfight At The OK Corral" scenario is the best way forward. The "good guys" will be on hand to deal with the "bad guys". Every gunholder must be ready to murder for the sake of the maintenance of law and order.


Self defense is hardly murder.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:19 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:
I favour gun control . I have to. I live in Australia obviously and since the gun control reform came into play, there has been no mass murders here or in Tasmania, since 1996. It is estimated as well that suicides in Australia were mainly (prior to) done via guns. The suicide rates have not changed at all, now it appears that hanging is the preference.

But, as far as mass murders go. If Australia can put the law in place and have no mass murders for over 16 years, yet had 13 prior to the Masacre in Port Arthur, Tasmania does not not speak volume?

I think so.


Until you get some crackpot who decides to kill with bombs.
oralloy
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:20 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
MontereyJack wrote:
Again, look at Scalia's recent interviews.


I asked you before if he really said that the Supreme Court was going to abandon Rational Basis Review and the other standards of scrutiny. And if so, if you had a cite.

I've not seen any cites. Though I am a few pages behind, so if you did provide them I may just have not gotten to it yet.


All caught up now. Didn't see any cites about Justice Scalia saying anything.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:21 pm
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
However, driving on higway speeds should be viewed as an important means of transportation and commerce. There is a need for such every-day sort of activity in our way of life. However, owning such firepower is not.


There is a Constitutional right to own guns. There is no Constitutional right to drive.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:21 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
You wrote--

Quote:
The gun manufacturers know what will happen to them if they cross us. It's hard for them to forget because they have nightmares about it every night.


to which I replied--

Quote:
Why would they have nightmares about something that isn't going to happen because it's unconstitutional.


which caused you to say--

Quote:
It is not unconstitutional for us to boycott a gun manufacturer into bankruptcy if they cross us.


After the shooter killing his Mom with her gun in order to access her guns I am beginning to see what the problem is.

Have you lot had background checks?


There is no problem. We are strong, and we have the power to protect our rights from the freedom haters.
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H2O MAN
 
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Fri 21 Dec, 2012 06:23 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Until you get some crackpot who decides to kill with bombs.


'Tis the season, stay vigilant ... we are a country at war.
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