Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@H2O MAN,

So, the NRA have spoken, and apparently they suggest the "Gunfight At The OK Corral" scenario is the best way forward. The "good guys" will be on hand to deal with the "bad guys". Every gunholder must be ready to murder for the sake of the maintenance of law and order.

What a shower of crackpots.

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@oralloy,

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The NRA has pushed legislation before that would have instituted background checks for all sales at gun shows.

Having seen the Lanza house picture and reading a little of Ms Lanza's lifestyle I would guess she would come under the "nodding through" category. In the top 10% of responsible etc gun owners I mean.

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@spendius,

Stop minding my business and go piss in a bar, nosy Brit!

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@Ragman,

Ragman wrote:

There was an ana analogy which I heard today that compared the lowering of the speed limit on US highways from 70 to 55 mph. Doing so saved a surprising amount of lives.

Interesting analogy, but you know it cuts both ways. As a nation, we seem to have decided that losing some certain number of lives was outweighed by the convenience of driving 15 mils per hour faster.

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

the gov't is coming for your killing machines.
you best hide 'em good...

The courts say otherwise.

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@McTag,

One big drawback to the NRA's plan, the killers don't need schools or theaters to have lots of targets. Any big gathering will do. You would need a standing army to occupy every city and village to do it exclusively NRA style.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

For the one hundred and one time how in the hell are rifles label assault rifles anymore deadly then similar rifles without that label????!!!!!?????

It's like trying to convince the Jonestown cultists not to drink the Kool-Aid isn't it?

But ultimately, no matter how much abuse the cultists heap on you for pointing out reality, they are the ones who will be drinking the Kool-Aid if they are stubborn.

If the Freedom Haters end up needlessly making a ban on high capacity magazines unconstitutional, they are the ones who are going to end up wailing as the courts strike it down.

I look forward to mocking them if that comes to pass (actually I've already started mocking them).

Of course, there is no guarantee that their unconstitutional monstrosity will ever make it past the NRA to begin with. But if it does, they will have only themselves to blame for sabotaging it.

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@Pearlylustre,

Pearlylustre wrote:

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Not really. The main impact has been loss of freedom.

There was also a five-year armed robbery spree after the ban.

I don't know about an armed robbery spree as I wasn't living in Australia at the time - I'd be interested in what references you have for that.
I would say the main impact of gun control is that we haven't had any more mass shootings. I don't think you would find many Australians who feel a loss of freedom. Quite the contrary - I feel very free living in Australia. I have no more fear of being involved in gun violence than I do of a meteor falling on my head. When my children were little I didn't have to fear that if they went to stay at a friend's house there was a chance of them finding a loaded gun in an unlocked case - because none of our friends are hunters or have any other good reason to have a gun in their home.
Rather than lamenting their lack of freedom to own an assault weapon I would say that probably all the Australian I've spoken to about this issue are glad to live in a country where they feel safe - and don't understand the American obsession with guns at all.

Stop comparing yourselves to us in regards to guns. As I've repeated in the past to ehbeth:

Val Killmore wrote:

Australia with America, you can not compare them side by side, because first of all Australian citizens do not (and never did) have a constitutional right to own firearms. With this context in mind, any claims based on statistics (even accurate ones) which posit a cause-and-effect relationship between the gun buyback program and increased or decreased crime rates because “criminals are guaranteed that getting weapons to commit crimes becomes harder” or "criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed" are automatically suspect, since the average Australian citizen didn't own firearms even before the buyback. And no matter what the outcome of the analysis with your wiki articles and some charts and number, the results aren't necessarily applicable to the USA, where laws regarding gun ownership are (and always have been) much different than those in Australia. Australia had roughly 750K firearms in private hands when the ban was enacted...the US has 200-250 million in private hands. Different society....

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@Val Killmore,

A bit on edge are you Killmore?

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@oralloy,

I favour gun control . I have to. I live in Australia obviously and since the gun control reform came into play, there has been no mass murders here or in Tasmania, since 1996. It is estimated as well that suicides in Australia were mainly (prior to) done via guns. The suicide rates have not changed at all, now it appears that hanging is the preference.

But, as far as mass murders go. If Australia can put the law in place and have no mass murders for over 16 years, yet had 13 prior to the Masacre in Port Arthur, Tasmania does not not speak volume?

I think so.

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A study co-authored by Simon Chapman argued that reduction in firearm numbers had prevented mass shootings because in the 18 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre there were 13 mass shootings and in the decade since 1996 there have been none.

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@Val Killmore,

I would just love to see a good gun buy back program. I've got this old .32 derringer that's not only inaccurate, but strikes me as dangerous to the user unless the directions are followed. I'm not comfortable selling or tossing a firearm that could be traced to me, and I don't have access to an oxy - acetlyene torch.

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@McTag,

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So, the NRA have spoken, and apparently they suggest the "Gunfight At The OK Corral" scenario is the best way forward. The "good guys" will be on hand to deal with the "bad guys". Every gunholder must be ready to murder for the sake of the maintenance of law and order.

What a shower of crackpots.

No we should allow shooters hell people with a sword or a can of gasoline the freedoms to come into our schools and killed at whim as to protected children with firearms is not going to be allow and it is far far better that children died then be protected by evil guns.......

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@BillRM,

uh, Bill, they come in with guns, not with swords or cans of gasoline. Talk about a strawman. Take away the guns, decrease the murder rate exponentially.

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@Pearlylustre,

Pearlylustre wrote:

I'd be interested in what references you have for that.

Armed Robbery Rate (per 100,000 people)

1993: 30.0
1994: 28.3
1995: 29.1
1996: 34.2
1997: 48.9
1998: 58.0
1999: 49.9
2000: 49.5
2001: 57.9
2002: 39.9
2003: 36.1
2004: 30.0

Unarmed Robbery Rate (per 100,000 people)

1993: 42.3
1994: 50.0
1995: 51.5
1996: 55.3
1997: 66.1
1998: 69.2
1999: 69.5
2000: 72.3
2001: 79.1
2002: 66.9
2003: 62.9
2004: 52.1

Data extracted from:

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/5F71A98CD4A060C2CA256D350002F50A/$File/45100_2002.pdf

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/3DC2485395A1FAACCA25747300125594/$File/45100_2007.pdf

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@MontereyJack,

Wayne LApierre came out toay with a plan to arm some guards and make em available at schools. I agree but that is but one of 4 steps needed. The other 3 include interdiction with the mentally afflicted; make schools more intrusion proof, train and make available guards and or teachers with training in active protection, AND REAL GUN CONTROL
Noone of these will do it alone but its not an "either or " thing like Mr Lapierre is suggesting

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@Ragman,

Ragman wrote:

These multi-shot capacity guns (and the banana clip ammo) are not needed for hunters, target shooters or varmint killers and are basically designed for max people kills ...eee Brinks security...military security ONLY.

If you try to ban multi-shot guns, you are going to have every gun owner in America helping the NRA vote the Democrats out of office.

And what's this Brinks nonsense? If a 10-round magazine is good enough for self defense, it is good enough for police and armored cars.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The gun manufacturers know what will happen to them if they cross us. It's hard for them to forget because they have nightmares about it every night.

Why would they have nightmares about something that isn't going to happen because it's unconstitutional.

It is not unconstitutional for us to boycott a gun manufacturer into bankruptcy if they cross us.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Take away the guns, decrease the murder rate exponentially.

Nope. It would have very little impact on murder rates.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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But, as far as mass murders go. If Australia can put the law in place and have no mass murders for over 16 years, yet had 13 prior to the Masacre in Port Arthur, Tasmania does not not speak volume?

No it said nothing as for many generations in the US the percent of homes owning firearms had not change to any great degree and this mass murders nonsense had been of fairly recent happening.

The 24 news channels and them covering every small details of such killings with special note if it involved firearms are producing copycats in my opinion.

By the way I do not off hand remember this kind of coverage when the Oklahoma bombing occur or coverages of the funerals of the many children or others killed.

Why would that be? Far more people killed and a federal building level.

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@roger,

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I've got this old .32 derringer that's not only inaccurate, but strikes me as dangerous to the user unless the directions are followed. I'm not comfortable selling or tossing a firearm that could be traced to me, and I don't have access to an oxy - acetlyene torch.

A sledge hammer would likely turn it into junk metal with a few blows.

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