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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:07 pm
@Val Killmore,
VK, Quit while you are behind. More guns only means more accidents and killings by guns. It's simple logic that seems to evade your knowledge base.

The extremes are, a) no guns = no killings or accidents with guns, or b) more guns = more accidents and killings.

Logic is very simple, if you bother to understand it.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:08 pm
@Val Killmore,

... consider how well they have done with "Assault Weapons".

The 1994 AWB never really expired in states like Connecticut, California and other BLUE states.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:11 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
I guess it's easy to get blase with so many people killing themselves and each other on a daily basis.


Speaking for myself (although I'm sure a great number of my compatriots agree with me), I am firmly convinced that taking away guns would only have a miniscule impact on homicide rates.

But, even if someone proved that banning guns would save lives, our freedom would still take precedence over everything else.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,

What's more shocking?

The nation suffers at least four news-worthy brutal acts of evil during the last four years.

OR

The nation elects the sitting president whom over-watched the evil events to a second term.
Wilso
 
  4  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:16 pm
@oralloy,
If "guns don't kill people", then US society must be completely ******* diseased, for the random mass killings of complete strangers to be so common.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:17 pm
@H2O MAN,
apples and oranges; no logic as usual
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:18 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Just as we made it ridiculously easy for planes to be hijacked on 9/11, and to be used as weapons of mass destruction, we now make it ridiculously easy for people to obtain the guns which are used as weapons of mass destruction. And these guns are used as weapons of mass destruction, not just in the horrific sensational multiple murder shootings, but in all the other everyday instances of gun violence which contribute to the statistics reflecting damage to the masses in our country through gun deaths.


Neither guns nor planes are weapons of mass destruction.



firefly wrote:
And, just as those 9/11 hijackers didn't want to use small, light-weight aircraft as their weapons of mass destruction, most of our mass murders aren't using weapons that slowly fire only bullet at a time with a limited capacity that requires reloading after only a few shots. And just as, after 9/11, we put in place much tighter controls to protect our most powerful, and potentially lethal, planes from being used as weapons of mass destruction, it's time that we applied these same sorts of stringent controls over the firearms which are being used as the weapons of our mass destruction.


Talk about maximum irony. You are doing more than anyone else to ensure that there is no ban on high capacity magazines.

The way you are working to sabotage high-capacity magazine legislation, you are going to end up with a medal from the NRA before this is all over.



firefly wrote:
Some types of weapons, just like some types of planes, are more lethal, and desirable, when the goal is to kill as many as possible, as rapidly as possible. And just as we now, rather belatedly, carefully scrutinize the passengers getting on those most biggest, and most potentially lethal, planes, and we limit what they can take aboard them, we've got to start carefully scrutinizing who is buying the firearms weapons, and ammunition, and putting regulations and restrictions in place, to help prevent their being used for mass destruction, just as we protect the general public by better protecting our planes.


Sorry. Harmless cosmetic features do not make a gun any more lethal. And since there is no legitimate reason to ban harmless cosmetic features, doing so would be a violation of Rational Basis Review (to say nothing of sterner standards of scrutiny).

But keep up with your efforts to add a ban on harmless cosmetic features to the ban on high capacity magazines. There's a nice shiny medal from the NRA in it for you.

Make sure they are tightly intertwined so there is no possibility of severability. Twisted Evil
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:22 pm
@oralloy,
You,
Quote:
Neither guns nor planes are weapons of mass destruction.


It only proves you have no knowledge of human history.

How do you think the a-bombs were delivered to Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Kites? LOL

WWII was a carnage - with guns and airplanes.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:24 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Charles Krauthammer wrote this in today's column:

Quote:
Most fatal, however, is the grandfathering of existing weapons and magazines. That’s one of the reasons the ’94 law failed. At the time, there were 1.5 million assault weapons in circulation and 25 million large-capacity (i.e., more than 10 bullets) magazines. A reservoir that immense can take 100 years to draw down.


And I thought -- where will we be in 100 years if we don't start to draw down that reservoir now...

I don't understand why we don't just get started with an eye on our grandkids not having to deal with it.


Well, the reason you're not going to get started on banning assault weapons is because doing so would violate the Constitution. There is no legitimate reason for banning harmless cosmetic features, so doing so would violate Rational Basis Review (to say nothing of sterner standards of scrutiny that might be applied by the courts).

And you aren't going to get started on high capacity magazines because your compatriots are dead set on sabotaging their own legislation by needlessly making it unconstitutional.

The NRA is going to be handing our medals to some of your compatriots before this is over.
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Val Killmore
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

VK, Quit while you are behind. More guns only means more accidents and killings by guns. It's simple logic that seems to evade your knowledge base.

The extremes are, a) no guns = no killings or accidents with guns, or b) more guns = more accidents and killings.

Logic is very simple, if you bother to understand it.


Let's test out your logic.

Quote:
More ______ only means more accidents and killings by ______.

The extremes are, a) no ______ = no killings or accidents with______, or b) more ______ = more accidents and killings.


Now.....
Substitute ______ with:
alcohol
motor vehicles
Fire
water
baseball bats
bicycles
barstools
batteries
.....I can keep on listing but you get the point.

What a pristine logic?(sarcasm intended)
A logic that suggests it is better to punish everyone for the irresponsible follies and evil of a few

There are bad people in this world. They will find ways to hurt people. How many times does such obvious common sense have to be repeated before it gets through your head?
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
bollucks
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:26 pm
@Val Killmore,
FYI; We're talking about "guns" on this thread.
edgarblythe
 
  5  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:26 pm
@Val Killmore,
Sorry if you are offended. Of course not all murders will stop with a gun ban. But by golly, the mass murders can be drastically reduced and eventually stopped if we get an effective ban going here.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:28 pm
@Wilso,
Quote:
completely ******* diseased, for the random mass killings of complete strangers to be so common.


Completely ******* diseased people with guns kill people and they are becoming increasingly common to complete strangers.
Val Killmore
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Really? Thanks for reminding me.
I tested out your logic, and sorry, it seems to be broken.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:32 pm
@H2O MAN,
You are so ignorant, you contradict your own beliefs.

1. How do you identify "******* diseased people?"
2. How do you control them from having a "*******" gun?
3. Your logic doesn't exist in any way or form.
JTT
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
FYI; We're talking about "guns" on this thread.


Lame!

I'm not at all disappointed in you, CI. This is what we've come to expect.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:33 pm
@Val Killmore,


What would you name the ban that's written to ban completely ******* diseased people?

How would you define the completely ******* diseased?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:38 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
We would like to believe that the N.R.A., the most influential opponent of sensible gun-control policies, will do as it says, but we have little faith that it will offer any substantial reforms. The association presents itself as a grass-roots organization, but it has become increasingly clear in recent years that it represents gun makers.


Hardly. The gun manufacturers have no objection to assault weapons bans.

They only pay lip service to the NRA because we will boycott them into bankruptcy if they don't.



firefly wrote:
The industry has, in turn, been a big supporter of the N.R.A.


Self preservation. The gun manufacturers know what will happen to them if they cross us. It's hard for them to forget because they have nightmares about it every night.



firefly wrote:
Officials from the N.R.A. have repeatedly said their main goal is to protect the Second Amendment rights of rank-and-file members who like to hunt or want guns for protection. But that claim is at odds with surveys that show a majority of N.R.A. members and a majority of American gun owners often support restrictions on gun sales and ownership that the N.R.A. has bitterly fought.

For instance, a 2009 poll commissioned by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that 69 percent of N.R.A. members would support requiring all sellers at gun shows to conduct background checks of prospective buyers, which they do not have to do now and which the N.R.A. has steadfastly argued against. If lawful gun owners are willing to subject themselves to background checks, why is the association resisting?


That's a lie. The NRA has pushed legislation before that would have instituted background checks for all sales at gun shows.

It was the Democrats who opposed the measure.

They opposed it first because they were not allowed to load it down with a bunch of other gun legislation. And second, because the law would have required the government to conduct the background check within 24 hours (the primary goal of these background checks is to hassle gun buyers by making them needlessly wait).



firefly wrote:
Businesses and special-interest groups often cloak their profit motives in the garb of constitutional rights — think Big Tobacco and its opposition to restrictions on smoking in public places and bold warnings on cigarette packages. The Supreme Court has made clear that the right to bear arms is not absolute and is subject to regulations and controls. Yet the N.R.A. clings to its groundless arguments that tough regulations violate the Second Amendment.


Hardly groundless. Banning harmless cosmetic features would violate Rational Basis Review (to say nothing of sterner standards of scrutiny that might be applied by the courts).



firefly wrote:
The NRA has the blood of innocent victims of gun violence all over it's hands.


Hardly.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 03:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
2. How do you control them from having a "*******" gun?


Once a person is identified as one of the ******* diseased people, that person
shall no longer have access to any objects that could be weaponized by the FDP.

Quote:

1. How do you identify "******* diseased people?"


We already have your picture Wink
 

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