Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

Statistics consistently show that having a gun in the house makes you less safe.

perhaps the elimination of sales and the repeal of the"grandfather" status of these assault weapons would only be a part of the solution, but it would be a critical part nonetheless no matter what second amendment fans would say.

The first step is to get the automatic and semi automatic guns outlawed.

Any gun that can shoot lots of bullets without reloading is a part of the solution, whether people agree with me or not.

Interesting. By your reasoning, Canada and Australia - among other countries - should be dictatorships.

**** on your liberties if it means more senseless slaughter.

semi autos (Severtal of which, including the Bushmaster, can be easily converted to full auto, with conversion kist available at gun shows

Those of us who do not approve the wholesale slaughter of innocents do not want those people to get their hands on these weapons of mass destruction.

Val Killmore wrote:

Regulation, is one thing....

But edgar's idea that ban all semi automatic is not the solution.

why not? we did it for about 10 years or so.

Assault weapons are NOT for sport, they are killing machines.

Im a hunter and Id never take what is essentially an overpressured .22 caliber bullet into the field to hunt a moose. Itd piss him off <AND, whod use one of those for small game hunting??

They are just for killing people.

Id love to see em banned but Id also recommend that we do away with the "Grandfather" provision that, during the last assault weapon ban kept all the existing assault weapons sold or on inventory at a gun shop as legal. Id propose a buy-back and a melt-down.

and devestating and "cop killer" ammo.None of this stuff has any use as "defined sporting potential "

These are essentially .22 magnum bullets with a whole lotta powder behind em to jack up the muzzle velocity so the bullet can penetrate and, when so designed with soft materials and hollows, the bullet can rotate and cause devestating damage to the body.

The concept is sickening what those kids felt before they died. The second amendment is gonna have to be revised by another amendment, If not now, then how many lives more do you want spent with such cold blooded determination??

Ammunition should have never been designed in the first place

as you said "Assault weapons are not for sport, they are killing machines", its basically true although most may disagree with me but what you have said is completely true.

semi-auto means one trigger pull = one shot. ALL assault weapons sold to the public are semi auto.

There are a few semi auto sport rifles but these arent of the "Assault style" .

They dont carry a mega clip. SPorting guns are limited to 3 or 5 cartridges in the gun and one in the breech.

can be converted to full auto as I said before, that turns em into a class that the Canadians call PROHIBITED and we call "dangerous weapons" (which are prohibited without special assignment type licenses and are only useable as assigned protection by such folks as explosives carriers and Brinks (or such) transporters of precious metals, and , of course para=military (police) and DOE nuke rods, weapons, triggers , yellow and redcake, UF6, and nuke power plant guards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

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. However, in the last two decades of the century, following several high profile multiple murders and a media campaign, the Australian government co-ordinated more restrictive firearms legislation with all state governments. Australia today has arguably some of the most restrictive firearms legislation in the world.

Currently, about 5.2% of Australian adults (765,000 people)[1] own and use firearms for purposes such as hunting, controlling feral animals, collecting, and target shooting.

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Current Australian firearm laws

State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms.

Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class.

For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defence.[2]

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada

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Registration of firearms in Canada has been an issue since the 1930s when the registration of handguns became mandatory. Over the past few decades, legislation had become increasingly restrictive for firearm owners and from 1995 until 2012, all firearms were required to be registered. As of April 6, 2012, the registration of non-restricted firearms is no longer required in any province or territory, except for Quebec, pending litigation. Systematic auditing of firearm owners and sports is implemented and enforced in most of Central Canada,[1][2] and to a lesser extent, in Western Canada (in most cases firearm ownership regulations vary slightly in different provinces and territories, where some provinces have decided to mandate their own laws, such as the Quebec Bill 9 course, which is mandatory for all owners of restricted firearms).[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

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It is effectively illegal to carry concealed handguns in Canada. There is a permit[7] that allows people to carry if they can prove they need to protect their lives under specific circumstances, but the permit is very rarely issued to civilians.[

Both Canada and Australia have conducted gun buybacks over the past couple of decades.

No dictatorships in sight.

Val Killmore wrote:

There was an "assault weapon ban" that was useless and only banned "military looking" weapons and did nothing to decrease crime, it was completely useless peice of legislation.

It was designed as "Useless" It , for the most part, was an idea that wasnt even tried properly. AS I SAID before, assault weapons were "GRANDFATHERED" as long as they were already in someones ownership or inventory. SO, if the weapon already existed at the effective date of the assault weapon ban, IT WAS LEGAL. Thats total politically motivated dickless BULLSHIT. So please dont say it was useless, cause the concept wasnt even tried.

I know for a fact that the NRA "Sporting members" are in the majority, all for meaningful control, and banning of these people killer guns.

Its just that the NRA, as it is now constitutd, is a lobby for the gun manufacturers, not the sportsmen.

The politicians that are in favor of lax gun laws are in the pockets of the NRA and its ability for political largesse

HEY HEY HEY, Were having an argument here, if you want to start name calling then youve gotta go over to the "VERBAL ABUSE" thread

I wish I could be bothered screen capturing this page a lone post by FM in a sea of 'user ignored'.

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Do you think the world was less violent before guns were invented?

SOunds like youre tiring of making a real debate out of this,
this sounds like youre attempting to justify the kids actions
based upon archeological evidence that cavemen were violent beings.

You really have gotta do better than that, and you know it.

Ill make believe you didnt post that and you get a freebie.

Statistics consistently show that having a gun in the house makes you less safe.