Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@BillRM,

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Irrational laws and actions...

Right now, it's inaction that would be irrational given our country's problem with gun violence.

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@firefly,

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oralloy, whether you like it or not, a serious discussion about guns is about to take place in this country because this latest slaughter of children, by gun violence, is more than most people are willing to tolerate or ignore.

Really?

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Gun-Sales-Up-After-CT-Shooting-San-Diego-Control-Restrictions--183793111.html

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/gun-sales-up-after-newtown-tragedy

http://www.emirates247.com/news/region/connecticut-shooting-aftermath-bushmaster-gun-sales-surge-2012-12-19-1.487853

A quick search on the Internet shows sales hitting all time high and having set records on Saturday, the day after the Connecticut shootings. Sales even went up in Connecticut.

So are people truly ready to take this to a level of serious discussion and even more than that take action?

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@Sturgis,

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So are people truly ready to take this to a level of serious discussion and even more than that take action?

Sadly, this assessment is quite accurate. Once again. After Columbine, we had that same "We're going to have a great national discussion on guns...." After Virginia Tech, we had that same "We're going to have a great national discussion on guns...." After the Aurora movie theater shooting, we once again had that same "We're going to have a great national discussion on guns...." You can fill in this timeline with hundreds of smaller school and public shootings that too evoked that same sentiment which a national discussion never really happened.

We can blame the H20's, the Oralllllo's, the BillRM's, etc... of the US and their slavish devotion to the NRA which results in this indirect national censorship on this loaded topic and against our much needed national discussion on the topic. Their explicit stubborness for compromise which isn't for the greater good of the country but a reactionary symptom fed by their hideous selfishness and outright paranoia based delusions.

After every major incident, there is a clamor for gun REFORM not outright banning of all guns. These conservative gun nuts twist that call for reform and claim its an outright call for a ban. No national discussion can come from this when the progun advocates refuse to acknowledge any concept of compromise.

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@Foofie,

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Also, an enemy never attacked our shores, even though as a youth I had to periodically hide under my desk, or in the hallway, due to a drill for possible A-bomb attack, likely because the U.S.A. was prepared.

Good stuff about Scouts and being prepared, but enemies have attacked our shores.

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@Sturgis,

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So are people truly ready to take this to a level of serious discussion and even more than that take action?

Yes, I think politicians and legislators are finally ready to address the problem--the elephant in the room, of gun violence, can't be ignored any longer. And the President has just made that clear--he's speaking as I'm typing this. That puts a serious discussion on the table.

I don't think those gun sales matter--most of them are likely going to people who already own guns and want to stockpile even more. We already have enough guns in circulation to arm every adult in our country, but since every adult does not own a gun, that indicates multiple gun ownership on the part of some people. You have to wonder about who panics and goes out to buy even more guns at any whiff of tighter controls over who can obtain them. Are the next mass murderers in that group? Possibly.

These latest victims are why people, including legislators and elected officials, are finally ready to address the issue--this incident really was the tipping point.

http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/nf-sandy-hook-victims-1217.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan is a resident A2K clown, a buffoon.

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@tsarstepan,

Buffoon

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@firefly,

I'm going to wait and see what "really" happens with this issue. Too often, important issues are swept under the rug after a few days or weeks.

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@firefly,

Armed teachers & staff would have prevented most if not all
of the innocent souls from being vanquished before their time.

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@cicerone imposter,

Important issues like the Benghazi cover-up and wide spread
voter fraud in swing states being swept under the rug?

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@H2O MAN,

People like you are the problem on this issue. Something you'll never comprehend.

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@cicerone imposter,

Nice projection...

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@H2O MAN,

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Armed teachers & staff would have prevented most if not all
of the innocent souls from being vanquished before their time.

Or they would have been the first ones shot--whether or not they were armed.

By the time they reacted to the sudden surprise element of seeing an intruder in the school, with a loaded weapon pointed at them, about to fire, they would have been shot.

Apart from children being caught in the crossfire, or killed by the stray bullets from the teacher's guns.

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@firefly,

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Yes, I think politicians and legislators are finally ready to address the problem--the elephant in the room, of gun violence, can't be ignored any longer. And the President has just made that clear--he's speaking as I'm typing this. That puts a serious discussion on the table.

I truly hope you are right and that your words will become truth in the form of strict reform and gun laws.

And I mean strict, not the nonsense we had before where a ban on assault weaponry was allowed to expire after 10 years. That is not progress, it's just a temporary appeasement patch. May the Houses and the President finally push this through in meaningful fashion. Make this one permanent and make it against all past, present and future assault weapons.

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@H2O MAN,

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Armed teachers & staff would have prevented most if not all
of the innocent souls from being vanquished before their time.

You truly are an idiot and an asswipe.

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@firefly,

Or they could have been hit and killed by a school bus right before the evil one arrived.

FireFly, I know you mean well and I support that, but do you really think the evil one would have
continued his assault once he was confronted by an armed teacher hell bent on protecting the children?

What makes you think the armed teacher would fail?
Why do you not trust the abilities of a teacher that's trained to defend with a gun?

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@Sturgis,

Your support killing innocent children, you are all for it!

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@H2O MAN,

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Your support killing innocent children, you are all for it!

No,I am against it. I am against guns. I see no reason for assault weapons in the hands of any civilian. Even a handgun in the hand of the average citizen is senseless.

Take this man as an example: http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/12/staten_island_rev_featured_in.html#incart_river

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Rev. Fisher's uncle was killed with his own handgun when an intruder turned it on him in 1985. A decade later, Rev. Fisher's mother, Beatrice, then 68, was killed with a shotgun by William Bartlett Fisher, her husband and Rev. Fisher's father.

What reason does the average person have for owning a gun and what reason could possibly exist for him or her to have several of them as so many lunatics out there do?

The laws must change and bring in not only restrictions and bans, but, punishments which will be enforced upon those individuals found to be breaking the law.

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@Sturgis,

Sturgis, you are an emotional, irrational, anti-constitutional fool.

The Constitution is the reason the average American
should own at least one gun and know how to use it.

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@Sturgis,

There is no evidence that suggests stricter gun laws would have prevented the Newton attack, none.

There is plenty of evidence that suggests armed individuals within the school
could have stopped and possible prevented the attack from ever happening.

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