Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

Your cartoon left out any picture of the anti-gun nuts.

murdering 30 students and teachers and wounding several others before committing suicide. He had spent the interval fedexing a press kit to NBC News.

Once more arm security not bans on one type of weapons seems to be the solution.

As far as my memory go no attempt to do mass killings in the US had target any location where there had been arm security on site.

Second, in any locations where you have defenseless children gather together by state power such as primary schools or locations where you had ban adults to be arm for self defense such as on college campuses the society have a duty to provide such arm security.

Nah, Oralloy...you stopped with the truth when

when you started with the distortions and hyperbole...and you started the distortions and hyperbole almost immediately.

Look, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to shut you up...in fact, quite the opposite. You are providing a much needed function here. It is best to establish that some of the people arguing your position are so far out...and are so willing to distort reality

...that their opinions should be discounted out of hand.

I want to see you continue doing it...because it discredits the arguments more than can be done without help from people like you.

I especially like the notion that you tell nothing but the truth. That has a special note of hilarity to it.

The Second Amendment ought to be repealed...and a new set of legislation enacted that is more realistic for today's reality. Relying on what worked in the 18th Century in these matters is absurd.

But suggesting that laws cannot be passed which will reasonably limit access to guns and ammunition is equally unrealistic.

The Second Amendment ought to be repealed...

and a new set of legislation enacted that is more realistic for today's reality. Relying on what worked in the 18th Century in these matters is absurd.

Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5199828)

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Nah, Oralloy...you stopped with the truth when

You have a big mouth, but you can't back it up by showing a single untrue statement on my part.

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when you started with the distortions and hyperbole...and you started the distortions and hyperbole almost immediately.

Nope. Your dislike of the truth does not make the truth transform into either distortion or hyperbole.

The truth remains the truth no matter how much you don't like it.

You can whine at the truth, squeal at the truth, and jump up and down and make silly faces at the truth, but no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, the truth is still going to remain the truth.

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Look, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to shut you up...in fact, quite the opposite. You are providing a much needed function here. It is best to establish that some of the people arguing your position are so far out...and are so willing to distort reality

If you want to establish that I am distorting reality, you are going to have to prove it.

You can't prove it (because it isn't true), so all you can do is make baseless claims with nothing to back them up.

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...that their opinions should be discounted out of hand.

You do seem unusually eager to discount the Constitution out of hand.

You don't seem to possess a lot of foresight however, because the Supreme Court is not going to dismiss the Constitution out of hand.

And neither are the voters of the NRA.

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I want to see you continue doing it...because it discredits the arguments more than can be done without help from people like you.

Your empty charges falsely claiming hyperbole do nothing to discredit the truth.

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I especially like the notion that you tell nothing but the truth. That has a special note of hilarity to it.

I am not claiming infallibility. I do make the odd error from time to time.

I am just refusing your request that I stop telling the truth.

Re: H2O MAN (Post 5198881)
I want to start by offering my profound condolences and sympathies to the families of the victims of this bitter incident. Losing a family member the hardest thing someone could go through. My thoughts and prayers are truly with you at this time.
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My comments on the Connecticut shooting:
This is NOT a gun problem issues. It’s not.
This guy had a MENTAL PROBLEM!
THAT IS THE TRUE ISSUE. The government should worry about helping mental kids. Sorry to say it like that. but its the truth. This mental kid had his mind set to do what he did. Come on, a person that kill his own mom! What guy with his right mind does that? Sorry but the guy had mental issues. And to top it off the family knew their son had issues.(Read online).

So it’s not the Gun issue. He was going to do what he did not matter what, am sure he would have done it with anything he had available. He could have used a baseball bat. Now would the president ban baseball bats?
guns and baseball bat are both sports, hobbies, and weapons depending how you use them.
Clear example: Friday morning, a man walked through the entrance of an elementary school in China and, without warning, began ruthlessly cutting down children at the school. Attacking children with a knife, and began ruthlessly cutting down children at the school. Before he was subdued, nearly two dozen were hit. China -- which has strict gun control laws –
I am also sorry for all does families from china as well!

Bottom line /my 2cents:
President is wrong in trying to enforce some kind of ban on gun sales, rifle sales or ammo sales.
This is not the way to go.
He will only weaken the good law-abiding people.
The people that have guns to defend their families.
The people that have earned the right to own and carry a gun.( keeping a clean record )
People that one day might one day stop a idiot from doing harm to people at a mall etc...
I don’t know about Connecticut but here in Texas we have the right to legally own guns (as long as you’re approved by Gov. clean record etc. etc...) Then we have the RIGHT to obtain a permit to conceal your hand gun.
I obtained my permit because a have 3 beautiful babies and a beautiful wife, that I have to take care of.
As a father I am going to protect my children and wife at all cost. Like every father will do.
So I got my permit. Its legal, I have earned by being a law-abiding citizen.
This at least balances the odds against the bad guy with a gun.
(You cannot protect your family by throwing rocks at a guy that is shooting at you or your family.)
That’s what the president is trying to do! By banning and restricting guns/rifles/ammo.
I am a big pusher of Campus carry and believe that if a teacher or several teachers had a gun at that time of the shooting. The outcome would have been much different.

Or do you expect cash strapped local and state school divisions to pick up the massive burden for full time security force for each and every school under their administration? Or do you think these jobs could be handled by the corrupt for-profit private security agencies like Blackwater? Or that schools could be safe with armed security by minimum wage drones if saving the tax payer is your top agenda?

How about teachers with CCW permits?

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Frank Apisa wrote:
But suggesting that laws cannot be passed which will reasonably limit access to guns and ammunition is equally unrealistic.

The Second Amendment ought to be repealed...

Speaking of unrealistic.... Good luck with that.

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and a new set of legislation enacted that is more realistic for today's reality. Relying on what worked in the 18th Century in these matters is absurd.

Freedom is not an obsolete concept that was good for our ancestors, but now we in the present should give up.

Freedom is something that is going to remain part of American society until the end of time.

Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5199859)

This person understands.

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Re: H2O MAN (Post 5198881)
I want to start by offering my profound condolences and sympathies to the families of the victims of this bitter incident. Losing a family member the hardest thing someone could go through. My thoughts and prayers are truly with you at this time.
----------
My comments on the Connecticut shooting:
This is NOT a gun problem issues. It’s not.
This guy had a MENTAL PROBLEM!
THAT IS THE TRUE ISSUE. The government should worry about helping mental kids. Sorry to say it like that. but its the truth. This mental kid had his mind set to do what he did. Come on, a person that kill his own mom! What guy with his right mind does that? Sorry but the guy had mental issues. And to top it off the family knew their son had issues.(Read online).

So it’s not the Gun issue. He was going to do what he did not matter what, am sure he would have done it with anything he had available. He could have used a baseball bat. Now would the president ban baseball bats?
guns and baseball bat are both sports, hobbies, and weapons depending how you use them.
Clear example: Friday morning, a man walked through the entrance of an elementary school in China and, without warning, began ruthlessly cutting down children at the school. Attacking children with a knife, and began ruthlessly cutting down children at the school. Before he was subdued, nearly two dozen were hit. China -- which has strict gun control laws –
I am also sorry for all does families from china as well!

Bottom line /my 2cents:
President is wrong in trying to enforce some kind of ban on gun sales, rifle sales or ammo sales.
This is not the way to go.
He will only weaken the good law-abiding people.
The people that have guns to defend their families.
The people that have earned the right to own and carry a gun.( keeping a clean record )
People that one day might one day stop a idiot from doing harm to people at a mall etc...
I don’t know about Connecticut but here in Texas we have the right to legally own guns (as long as you’re approved by Gov. clean record etc. etc...) Then we have the RIGHT to obtain a permit to conceal your hand gun.
I obtained my permit because a have 3 beautiful babies and a beautiful wife, that I have to take care of.
As a father I am going to protect my children and wife at all cost. Like every father will do.
So I got my permit. Its legal, I have earned by being a law-abiding citizen.
This at least balances the odds against the bad guy with a gun.
(You cannot protect your family by throwing rocks at a guy that is shooting at you or your family.)
That’s what the president is trying to do! By banning and restricting guns/rifles/ammo.
I am a big pusher of Campus carry and believe that if a teacher or several teachers had a gun at that time of the shooting. The outcome would have been much different.

You don't expect two security guards for each and every school in the entire nation