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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
firefly
 
  1  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 08:02 pm
@oralloy,
Apr 16 2007

At around 7 AM, Virginia Tech senior Cho Seung-Hui shoots dead two students in a neighboring dorm. Two hours later, he chains shut the doors of the engineering building and goes on a forty-minute killing spree, murdering 30 students and teachers and wounding several others before committing suicide. He had spent the interval fedexing a press kit to NBC News.

http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r339/Photo_Troll/nra-cho.jpg
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 08:13 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
No such right.


You should rad the Constitution a bit more closely
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 08:26 pm
@farmerman,


I see the senseless attack against the NRA by the collective is going swimmingly.

Do continue...
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 08:26 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
oralloy wrote:
RexRed wrote:
These are not pea shooters or spit balls they are implements of war....


Nonsense. Putting a pistol grip on a gun does not make it an implement of war.


You are distracting the issue here, I am not talking about pistol grips, I am talking about banning civilian military style weapons in the name of social tranquility. Simple as that.


No, you are talking about banning ordinary weapons that merely have a pistol grip, and justifying it by falsely calling them a weapon of war when they are nothing of the sort.

And that is a violation of the Constitution.
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firefly
 
  0  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 08:45 pm
@H2O MAN,
http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/54/2008/06/30/52543_600.jpg
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 09:50 pm
@firefly,
Your cartoon left out any picture of the anti-gun nuts.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 10:01 pm
@tsarstepan,
That's because "anti-gun nuts" is an empty set. the anti-gun people are the sane ones.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 10:06 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
That didn't stop him from being easily able to acquire all of his guns and his huge amount of ammunition--he was able to amass it all while he was seeing his psychiatrist.


My my because one shooter was in treatment at the time that mean that treatments is worthless by your logic?

But banning one type of weapon that is no more deadly then any other type have some strange worth in your mind!!!!!!!!
BillRM
 
  -1  
Tue 18 Dec, 2012 10:10 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
At around 7 AM, Virginia Tech senior Cho Seung-Hui shoots dead two students in a neighboring dorm. Two hours later, he chains shut the doors of the engineering building and goes on a forty-minute killing spree, murdering 30 students and teachers and wounding several others before committing suicide. He had spent the interval fedexing a press kit to NBC News
.


NO ASSAULT WEAPON USED BY THE GENTLEMAN AND NO LARGE CLIP USED BY THE GENTLEMAN.

By your logic Firefly his victims should be alive...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho#Weapons

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/G19_blk_grip.jpg/220px-G19_blk_grip.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Walther_P22_Corrected.jpg/220px-Walther_P22_Corrected.jpg

During February and March 2007, Cho began purchasing the weapons that he later used during the killings. On February 9, 2007, Cho purchased his first handgun, a .22 caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic pistol, from TGSCOM Inc., a federally licensed firearms dealer based in Green Bay, Wisconsin and the operator of the website through which Cho ordered the gun.[75][76][77][78] TGSCOM Inc. shipped the Walther P22 to JND Pawnbrokers in Blacksburg, Virginia, where Cho completed the legally required background check for the purchase transaction and took possession of the handgun.[79] Cho bought a second handgun, a 9mm Glock 19 semiautomatic pistol, on March 13, 2007 from Roanoke Firearms, a licensed gun dealer located in Roanoke, Virginia.[75][80]

Cho was able to pass both background checks and successfully complete both handgun purchases after he presented to the gun dealers his U.S. permanent residency card, his Virginia driver's permit to prove legal age and length of Virginia residence and a checkbook showing his Virginia address, in addition to waiting the required 30-day period between each gun purchase. He was successful at completing both handgun purchases, even though he had failed to disclose information on the background questionnaire about his mental health that required court-ordered outpatient treatment at a mental health facility.[81][82][83]

On March 22, 2007, Cho purchased two 10-round magazines for the Walther P22 pistol through eBay from Elk Ridge Shooting Supplies in Idaho.[84] Based on a preliminary computer forensics examination of Cho's eBay purchase records, investigators suspected that Cho may have purchased an additional 10-round magazine on March 23, 2007 from another eBay seller who sold gun accessories.[85]

Cho also bought jacketed hollow-point bullets, which result in more tissue damage than full metal jacket bullets against unarmored targets[86] by expanding upon entering soft tissue.[87] Along with a manifesto, Cho later sent a photograph of the hollow point bullets to NBC News with the caption "All the [****] you've given me, right back at you with hollow points."[88][89][90]

firefly
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2012 10:24 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
My my because one shooter was in treatment at the time that mean that treatments is worthless by your logic?

Being in psychiatric treatment doesn't stop people from easily acquiring military style assault weapons, handguns, and tons of ammunition, and planning, and executing a rampage in a movie theater.

Treatment was certainly worthless in preventing that mass murder in the Aurora theater.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qT4QxpUR0Do/UA0BecXKB8I/AAAAAAAAAwc/w4axA7ubjHg/s1600/NRA+Jolly+Roger.jpg


And a history of court ordered psych treatment didn't stop the Virginia Tech shooter either.
Quote:
He was successful at completing both handgun purchases, even though he had failed to disclose information on the background questionnaire about his mental health that required court-ordered outpatient treatment at a mental health facility

http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r339/Photo_Troll/nra-cho.jpg

Yup, mental health evaluation and treatment is really the solution to preventing mass murders with guns. Rolling Eyes

hawkeye10
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2012 12:13 am
@firefly,
a good customer at my restaurant works full time plus overtime making special order guns for a company, mostly assault weapons. he was in 6 hours after this event and was saying that his boss was worried that this shoot-em up might be a game changer.

Edit: he says that they have 18 months production worth of orders.
hawkeye10
 
  3  
Wed 19 Dec, 2012 12:52 am
@hawkeye10,
a bdsm bogger that i follow who is autistic and who has an autistic chemically imbalanced son says that a major problem hits at 18yo. parents at that point lose the ability to force treatment, and the courts are very loath to do so, so these young people drop out till they hurt someone. i would not be surprised if it turns out here that the mom was trying to pressure the kid to go back to treatment but he was refusing.

btw- she agrees with me that bad gun control is not the problem, that it is a bad mental health system. if anyone wants to read her views PM me and i will send a link.
stewertturner
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Dec, 2012 04:20 am
@tsarstepan,
Yuck
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FOUND SOUL
 
  2  
Wed 19 Dec, 2012 04:28 am
@hawkeye10,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_autism_spectrum_disorders

I think you should check out this link.

No different than actors becoming famous because they were raped but yet, do not rape...

Or any other situation for that matter.

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BillRM
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2012 06:28 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Being in psychiatric treatment doesn't stop people from easily acquiring military style assault weapons, handguns, and tons of ammunition, and planning, and executing a rampage in a movie theater.


Once more the gentleman did his mass killings without any so call military weapons of any kind or in any form.

Just every day modern handguns not assault rifles and banning assault weapons are pointless as far as preventing mass killings.


Treatment might or might be helpful in any one case but the shooter did send his doctor some kind of a warning that did not reach the good doctor before the killings.

Arm security would surely help and that is the only thing that have a good chance of helping.
oralloy
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2012 06:54 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Being in psychiatric treatment doesn't stop people from easily acquiring military style assault weapons, handguns, and tons of ammunition, and planning, and executing a rampage in a movie theater.


Assault weapons are not "military style". They merely have harmless cosmetic features like a pistol grip and a flash suppressor.

And Americans have the right to have both assault weapons and handguns.
oralloy
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2012 06:55 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
a good customer at my restaurant works full time plus overtime making special order guns for a company, mostly assault weapons. he was in 6 hours after this event and was saying that his boss was worried that this shoot-em up might be a game changer.


The Constitution isn't changing, and it decisively protects the right of Americans to own assault weapons.

If the Freedom Haters manage to get this unconstitutional monstrosity past the NRA (that's a sizable "if"), it will just be struck off the books by the Supreme Court.

In the meantime, any congressman in a rural district who supported the unconstitutional monstrosity will be voted out of office.
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Dec, 2012 06:59 am
@BillRM,
Once more arm security not bans on one type of weapons seems to be the solution.

As far as my memory go no attempt to do mass killings in the US had target any location where there had been arm security on site.

Second, in any locations where you have defenseless children gather together by state power such as primary schools or locations where you had ban adults to be arm for self defense such as on college campuses the society have a duty to provide such arm security.

McTag
 
  4  
Wed 19 Dec, 2012 07:09 am
@BillRM,

Are you talking about ARMED security?

http://assets.amuniversal.com/1f72d840208e01300299001dd8b71c47
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2012 07:15 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5199448)
Frank Apisa wrote:
C'mon, Oralloy...you can do better than that.


I don't know. Always adhering to the truth is pretty good.

I'm satisfied with it at least.



Frank Apisa wrote:
And if you think that you "always post without irrational hyperbole"...you are very far from the truth.


No I'm not.

The fact that you dislike me telling the truth does not make the truth either irrational or hyperbole.

And it certainly doesn't make the truth untrue.


Nah, Oralloy...you stopped with the truth when you started with the distortions and hyperbole...and you started the distortions and hyperbole almost immediately.

Look, don't get me wrong. I am not trying to shut you up...in fact, quite the opposite. You are providing a much needed function here. It is best to establish that some of the people arguing your position are so far out...and are so willing to distort reality...that their opinions should be discounted out of hand.

You are doing that in a way I never thought I would see.

I want to see you continue doing it...because it discredits the arguments more than can be done without help from people like you.

I am delighted you are both engaging...and accommodating me.

Let's keep talking.

I especially like the notion that you tell nothing but the truth. That has a special note of hilarity to it.

 

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