Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye the irrational cause by this event is amazing.

We need to spend money on more mental health programs and in-patient treatment, we need arm security in public schools at all levels and it would be nice if the news media would stop acting in a way to promote copycats.

What is pointless is a ban on a rifle type that is no more deadly then any other rifle type due to the name.

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's amazing how ignorant you are about many things. Since many Americans are now concerned about our children's safety, you believe we are all "idiot Americans" who will find solutions in our laws.

Being concern for children safety is fine doing things that will have zero or near zero impact on their safety but will make you feel better is not.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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Uhhh disarming cops is dumber than arming everyone

Apart from special units, which undergo rigorous training,
our cops are unarmed and most of us are very grateful for it.
The cops are also in the main.

I was involved in recruiting and training policemen for 7 years and the subject never came up.

Of course!
Remaining alive when one is attacked is never important.

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@Ticomaya,

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Way to make your point clear and unambiguous, spendi.

It's better than not knowing which way up is old chap.

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@RexRed,

An assault rifle for teachers I do not think so however a 356 or a 45 would have been nice for that poor school principal that by the news reports try to attack the gun man with her bare hands.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Gun proliferation also steps on another right, a society's right to feel safe.

No such right.

RexRed wrote:
If people are running around shooting people on sprees, that does kinda conflict with another fundamental right, a person's right to pursue happiness. These victims, their families and the world are not very "happy" at all about this tragedy along with the many other horrific events perpetrated by powerful weapons in the wrong hands. These are not pea shooters or spit balls they are implements of war.... We should not only restrict all new gun sales but also investigate and re-certify all old gun sales.

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@RexRed,

Union Initiation Fee - $Y
Monthly Union dues -$X
Assault Rifles - $Z
Unions with assaults rifles - priceless.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Why don't you get a sound proof room with cotton wool lined walls and a nurse to guard the door? I would if I was in your state of insecurity.

Pink soft-focus lighting, a Howard Hughes airlock for supplies and Rock-a Bye-Baby playing on a continuous loop.

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@spendius,

Oh-- I forgot the nappy liner in case somebody pops a paper bag in the next room.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

Not according to Justice Scalia.

Justice Scalia never said anything about doing away with the traditional standards of scrutiny and allowing people to freely violate the Constitution.

firefly wrote:

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Justice Scalia added that laws banning “dangerous and unusual weapons” are “another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms.” He gave an example: “M-16 rifles and the like.”

When the case was argued in 2008, Justice Scalia suggested that other kinds of weapons and ammunition could be regulated.

Another assault weapon ban, or a ban on high capacity clips, would be consistent with that statement.

No. A ban on assault weapons would violate Rational Basis Review (to say nothing of sterner standards of scrutiny).

No need to worry about whether a ban on high capacity clips would pass muster. You're going to sabotage it by tying it to assault weapons.

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

If people are running around shooting people on sprees, that does kinda conflict with another fundamental right, a person's right to pursue happiness. These victims, their families and the world are not very "happy" at all about this tragedy along with the many other horrific events perpetrated by powerful weapons in the wrong hands.

You don't get to violate the Constitution just because you aren't happy.

RexRed wrote:

These are not pea shooters or spit balls they are implements of war....

Nonsense. Putting a pistol grip on a gun does not make it an implement of war.

RexRed wrote:

We should not only restrict all new gun sales but also investigate and re-certify all old gun sales.

"Restrict" is kind of vague. Some restrictions violate the Constitution.

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@oralloy,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5199292)
Frank Apisa wrote:
Can't you post anything without irrational hyperbole?

I always post without irrational hyperbole. All I do is tell the truth.

Your dislike of the truth will not prevent me from telling the truth.

C'mon, Oralloy...you can do better than that.

And if you think that you "always post without irrational hyperbole"...you are very far from the truth.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Full statement in advance of a "major press conference" on Friday in DC.

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The full statement:
The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.

JPB:
It will be interesting to see what the NRA will say and how it will sit with the rank and file of the membership.
I would also pay attention to Sen Joe Manchin (D-W Va) who is emerging as a key congressional voice on the issue.

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@realjohnboy,

I read somewhere that they stand a chance of splintering their base ala the Tea Partiers and the GOP.

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@JPB,

I don't know enough about the internal dynamics of the NRA. We will no doubt find out from some correspondents here.

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@BillRM,

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We need to spend money on more mental health programs...

The Aurora movie theater shooter was seeing a psychiatrist...

That didn't stop him from being easily able to acquire all of his guns and his huge amount of ammunition--he was able to amass it all while he was seeing his psychiatrist.

Yeah, sure, more mental health programs would solve the problem. Rolling Eyes

Any more bright suggestions?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

C'mon, Oralloy...you can do better than that.

I don't know. Always adhering to the truth is pretty good.

I'm satisfied with it at least.

Frank Apisa wrote:

And if you think that you "always post without irrational hyperbole"...you are very far from the truth.

No I'm not.

The fact that you dislike me telling the truth does not make the truth either irrational or hyperbole.

And it certainly doesn't make the truth untrue.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

I read somewhere that they stand a chance of splintering their base ala the Tea Partiers and the GOP.

Splintering? I'm sure there will be a freedom-hating fringe that will throw a tantrum and leave. But so what? Riddance.

It won't prevent us from stomping all over any candidates in rural congressional districts who vote to violate our Constitutional rights.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

RexRed wrote:
If people are running around shooting people on sprees, that does kinda conflict with another fundamental right, a person's right to pursue happiness. These victims, their families and the world are not very "happy" at all about this tragedy along with the many other horrific events perpetrated by powerful weapons in the wrong hands.

You don't get to violate the Constitution just because you aren't happy.

RexRed wrote:
Happiness is the cornerstone to the foundation of our constitution. Without the cornerstone of social tranquility, the rock of the foundation of liberty will not be shore.

RexRed wrote:
These are not pea shooters or spit balls they are implements of war....

Nonsense. Putting a pistol grip on a gun does not make it an implement of war.

RexRed wrote:
You are distracting the issue here, I am not talking about pistol grips, I am talking about banning civilian military style weapons in the name of social tranquility. Simple as that.

RexRed wrote:
We should not only restrict all new gun sales but also investigate and re-certify all old gun sales.

"Restrict" is kind of vague. Some restrictions violate the Constitution.

RexRed wrote:
It is also excesses that violate the constitution.

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