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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
BillRM
 
  2  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 03:21 pm
@ehBeth,
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/gun-sales-surge-after-connecticut-massacre/



The prospect of a renewed assault weapons ban in the wake of the Connecticut school massacre has set of a round of buying, as thousands of Americans head to their local gun store to secure the popular AR-15 -- the model used by the school gunman -- before potential government prohibitions on their purchase.

They are also buying the .223 ammunition used by the AR-15 and the type of high-capacity magazines covered under the last federal assault weapons ban, which Congress let expire without renewing.

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation says it set a new record for single-day background check submittals this past weekend.
In San Diego, Northwest Armory gun store owner Karl Durkheimer said Saturday "was the biggest day we've seen in 20 years. Sunday will probably eclipse that."
In southwest Ohio, from dawn to dusk a Cincinnati gun show had a line of 400 waiting to get in, said Joe Eaton of the Buckeye Firearms Association.
"Sales were through the roof on Saturday," said Eaton. "People were buying everything they could out of fear the president would try to ban certain guns and high-capacity magazines."

The deluge of buyers had officials working overtime. Background checks that normally took 15 minutes in California took more than four hours, Durkheimer said. In Colorado, background checks that normally take minutes turned into wait times of more than 12 hours, said CBI spokeswoman Susan Medina.

"We had to call in extra staff," Medina said. "The wait times were high."

The CBI says it processed more than 4,200 background checks on Saturday, the day after the Newtown, Conn., shooting. That surpassed the previous high of 4,028. Nationwide, FBI data shows 16.4 million background checks were run in 2011. An agency spokesman said Monday it did not keep daily numbers and would not have figures for December until early January.

The Connecticut gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, killed his mother before taking her car and her rifle and two handguns and driving to the Sandy Hook Elementary School. There he killed 20 children and six adults before taking his own life.

In the aftermath of the tragedy, Democratic lawmakers have argued there is a need for new gun measures, and President Obama has seemed to move in that direction without voicing support for specific legislation.

Gun owners aren't just afraid of losing their right to buy certain guns. Jeff Serdy, owner of AJI Sporting Goods in Apache Junction, Ariz., said his buyers were buying ammunition.

"I am selling a ton of ammunition," Serdy said. "My people figure it is easier for the president to ban ammunition sales than to get a gun bill through Congress."

Other countries have tried limiting the sale of ammunition as an easier alternative to banning guns. Mexico for example, bans any "military cartridge." In the U.S., the AR-15 and M-16 ammunition use the same bullet, the .223 and NATO 5.56 mm round.

Serdy said he was out of the cheaper $700 to $800 versions of the AR-15 but still had some priced at $1100 and up.

The AR-15 is the civilian version of the military's M-16 and M-4. In surveys, about 50 percent of buyers say they own AR-15s for target practice; 30 percent for hunting and the rest for personal protection. Despite often being called a fringe gun by critics, the AR-15 is the most popular gun sold in the US today, according to gun dealers. Roughly 220,000 were sold in 2010, after peaking at more than 300,000 immediately following Obama's election.

Sen. Diane Feinstein said Monday she will introduce a new assault weapons bill in January to stop the sale of more than 100 types of assault weapons.

"On the first day of the new Congress, I intend to introduce a bill stopping the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of assault weapons as well as large ammunition magazines, strips and drums that hold more than 10 rounds," Feinstein said. "I am in the process of gathering support for the bill in the Senate and House."

The previous assault weapons ban lasted from 1994 through 2004. It defined an assault weapon as any gun that was:

- semi automatic, meaning one round is fired per each pull of the trigger
- used a detachable magazine

And featured any two of the following attributes:

- a folding or telescopic stock
- a pistol grip
- a bayonet mount
- a flash suppressor
- a grenade launcher

While the weapons look menacing, many gun advocates say they are no more deadly than some other guns that use a larger and heavier bullet. And since they are semi-automatic, they should not be called or confused with the fully automatic military version. Nor should a gun used by millions be outlawed because of the actions of a mentally ill young man.

Critics however say these high-power weapons, capable of firing multiple rounds quickly, are too dangerous, since their high velocity rounds can pierce most body armor and
their magazines allow for mass shootings.

Yet, statistics show, unlike handguns or shotguns, rifles account for only a fraction of homicides in the United States. Of 12,664 murder victims last year, only 323 were killed with rifles, according to the FBI.

Both the Paducah, Ky., and Columbine, Colo., mass school killings occurred during the 10-year ban. In Paducah, the killer used a .22 caliber long rifle, 12 gauge pump-action shotgun and a Ruger MK II .22-caliber pistol.

In Columbine, the shooters used 99 explosive devices, a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine, a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun, and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun.

In 2007, the Virginia Tech shooter used a Glock and Walther handgun to kill 32 and wounded 17.

More recently, AR-15s were used in the Colorado movie theater shooting, one last week in a Portland, Ore. mall and in the Newton elementary massacre.

Even investors apparently believe this time Congress may act, fearing the long-term outlook is worse than a short-term sales bounce. Share prices for gun makers like Strum Ruger, Smith and Wesson and were down 4 to 8 percent the last two business days.

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FOUND SOUL
 
  2  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 03:21 pm
@boomerang,
Yep, SA, South Australia.

I have learnt alot in 5 years about America and E-Beth is right, John Howard, after a mass shooting did a major clean up with guns. It's difficult for me to comprehend the necessity and I feel for you and everyone else that you have to go down that path (and I do agree and understand) given, the circumstances and situations over there. If I lived there I would probably do the same thing.

It's understandable however, that I am still going to view where these guns are at, in accessability though as well.

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firefly
 
  2  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 03:24 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Letter from Victims and Families of Mass Shootings in America

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence Releases Letter Calling for Action
Dec 18, 2012

An invitation to everyone committed to a safer nation:

We are 32 families who have lost loved ones in many of the most infamous and deadly mass shootings our nation has ever seen.

We know we are far from alone in our grief. Every day in America, 32 more families lose loved ones to gun murders, most in tragedies that do not make national headlines because they are so common.

We believe we are better than this. And we are calling for a respectful and civil public conversation, focused simply on making this the safer nation we all want and deserve.

We are Republicans and Democrats, from “red states” and “blue states.” We live in cities, suburbs, and rural areas. We are from many different walks of life. Some of us own guns. Some of us don’t.

We know that the overwhelming majority of Americans support sensible solutions that would have prevented many of our tragedies, and can prevent many more every day. We are prepared to hold our elected leaders accountable to do everything they can to enact such solutions.

We invite every American who shares our vision of a safer nation to join us, and add your voices to ours, by signing this letter.

Without you, we are a group of families bound by the fact that we have been through something terrible. Together, we can all be the voice of real and lasting change!

Signed,

Jessica Watts, cousin of Jonathan Blunk, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Teresa and Dave Hoover, mother and uncle of Alexander J. “AJ” Boik, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Sandy and Lonnie Phillips, mother and step-father of Jessica Ghawi, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Jerri Jackson, mother of Matt McQuinn, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Greg and Rena Medek, parents of Micayla "Cayla" Medek, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Anita Busch, cousin of Micayla "Cayla" Medek, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Carol and Tom Teves, parents of Alex Teves, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Robert Wingo, ex-husband of Rebecca Wingo, killed in a movie theater, Aurora, CO, July 20, 2012

Brian and Camella Seymour, children of Judith O. Seymour, killed at Oikos University, Oakland, CA, April 2, 2012

Amardeep and Pardeep Kaleka, sons of Satwant Singh Kaleka, killed at the Sikh Temple, Oak Creek, WI, August 5, 2012

Roxanna Green, mother of Christina-Taylor Green, killed outside of a Safeway store, Tucson, AZ, January 8, 2011

Paula Caouette, Paul Caouette, Katie Caouette, and Cristin Caouette-Gaskil, wife and children of David Caouette, killed at Salon Meritage, Seal Beach, CA, October 12, 2011

Paul Wilson, husband of Christy Lynn Wilson, killed at Salon Meritage, Seal Beach, CA, October 12, 2011

Nardyne Jeffries, mother of Brishell Jones, killed in a drive-by shooting on South Capitol Street, Washington, D.C., March 30, 2010

Eric and Mary Kay Mace, parents of Ryanne Mace, killed at Northern Illinois University, DeKalb, IL, February 14, 2008

Carolyn Tuft and Kaitlin, Parker, and Scott Hinckley, mother and siblings of Kirsten Hinckley, killed at Trolley Square Mall, Salt Lake City, UT, February 12, 2007

Uma and Abhi Loganathan, children of G.V. Loganathan, killed at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA, April 16, 2007

Peter and Catherine Read, parents of Mary Read, killed at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA, April 16, 2007

Joe, Mona, Omar, and Randa Samaha, parents and siblings of Reema Samaha, killed at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA, April 16, 2007

Paul and Susan Turner, parents of Maxine Turner, killed at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA, April 16, 2007

John Woods, boyfriend of Maxine Turner, killed at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA, April 16, 2007

Annette Nance-Holt, mother of Blair Holt, killed on a city bus, Chicago, IL, May 10, 2007

Pamela Bosley, mother of Terrell Bosley, killed outside Lights of Zion Missionary Bible Church, Chicago, IL, April 4, 2006

Tim, Christian, Genevieve, and Jeff Heyne, husband and children of Janice Heyne, killed in a shooting spree, Thousand Oaks, CA, May 30, 2005

Jose Guzman and Guadalupe Sanchez, parents of Guillermo Rodriguez, killed at a Subway, Phoenix, AZ, November 5, 2005

David Cariens, father-in-law of Angela Dales, killed at the Appalachian School of Law, Grundy, VA, January 16, 2002

Nick and Amanda Wilcox, parents of Laura Ligon Wilcox, killed at the Nevada County Behavioral Health Clinic, Grass Valley, CA, January 10, 2001

Suzanne and Casey Glimstad, mother and sister of Derek Glimstad, killed during a shooting spree, Sacramento, CA, September 8, 2001

Tom Mauser, father of Daniel Mauser, killed at Columbine High School, Littleton, CO, April 20, 1999

Sherialyn Byrdsong, wife of Northwestern Basketball Coach, Ricky Byrdsong, killed during a shooting spree, Skokie, IL, July 2, 1999

Paul Ercolino, brother of Steve Ercolino, killed at the Empire State Building, New York City, NY, August 24, 1997

Geraldine Hills, sister of Officer Adam J. Hills, ambushed and killed off-duty, Seney, MI, October 18, 1994

After you take action, we will keep you updated
with our efforts to make our communities safer.



You can also sign the above letter here.
http://www.wearebetterthanthis.org/

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JPB
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 03:28 pm
@ehBeth,
NRA finally making a statement...

Quote:
NRA: "prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."
BillRM
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 03:29 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
And you're denying the fact that most mass murders in this country in the past decade or so have all been accomplished with the use of the same types of firearms.


The facts seems to deny it Firefly see below............

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/gun-sales-surge-after-connecticut-massacre/



Yet, statistics show, unlike handguns or shotguns, rifles account for only a fraction of homicides in the United States. Of 12,664 murder victims last year, only 323 were killed with rifles, according to the FBI.

Both the Paducah, Ky., and Columbine, Colo., mass school killings occurred during the 10-year ban. In Paducah, the killer used a .22 caliber long rifle, 12 gauge pump-action shotgun and a Ruger MK II .22-caliber pistol.

In Columbine, the shooters used 99 explosive devices, a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine, a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun, and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun.

In 2007, the Virginia Tech shooter used a Glock and Walther handgun to kill 32 and wounded 17.

More recently, AR-15s were used in the Colorado movie theater shooting, one last week in a Portland, Ore. mall and in the Newton elementary massacre.



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JPB
 
  2  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 03:31 pm
@JPB,
Full statement in advance of a "major press conference" on Friday in DC.

Quote:
The full statement:
The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
The White House today indicated President Obama would support legislation that would reinstate the ban on certain types of semi-automatic rifles – known as “the assault weapons ban” — and may support other efforts, such as a proposal to ban high-capacity magazines, in the wake of the deadly massacre in Newtown, Conn.

“He is actively supportive of, for example, Senator Feinstein’s stated intent to revive a piece of legislation that would reinstate the assault weapons ban,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters, publicly backing for the first time legislation Feinstein plans to introduce. The White House had previously been reluctant to publicly named any specific action it might support in an effort to prevent future massacres.

“[The President] supports — and would support legislation that addresses the problem of the so-called gun show loophole, and there are other elements of gun law — gun legislation that he could support,” Carney said. “People have talked about high- capacity ammunition clips, for example, and that is something, certainly, that he would be interested in looking at,” he added.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/white-house-gets-more-specific-on-gun-control-measures-the-president-might-back/


Yep. Barack Obama hates the US Constitution with a passion.



Cycloptichorn wrote:
Getting rid of high-capacity magazines just makes sense. Neither you nor anyone else needs a 30-round clip for self defense or any other reason than wanton murder.


You actually don't need it for wanton murder either, so your sentence is not really accurate.

If by "need" you meant "can use", your sentence still doesn't work, as such clips are just as useful for varmint hunting and self defense as they are for wanton murder.

I'm curious, do you want them taken away from the police? If you truly believe the only purpose is wanton murder, surely you wouldn't want the police wantonly murdering people.



Cycloptichorn wrote:
Closing the 'gun-show' loophole also makes sense and I sure bet that happens.


We'll see. The last time the Democrats killed the measure after they weren't able to load it down with unconstitutional measures.



Cycloptichorn wrote:
I believe the Democrats would dare the already unpopular GOP to oppose them on this issue.


Already unpopular? Nonsense.

Are the Democrats ready to have all their Congressmen in swing districts voted out of office?
spendius
 
  0  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:01 pm
@Val Killmore,
Quote:
But, there will be coverage for months... The media fuels these fires, and that's the attention these nutjobs want dead or alive.


Yes--and Media wants your attention too.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:01 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

NRA finally making a statement...

Quote:
NRA: "prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."


Either delussion or dishonesty.....we can't make sure that the sun comes up tommorrow much less that some nut job won't do a shoot-em up sometime in the future.

But parading out the pretty words is almost always a good enough show for idiotic americans...
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:01 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The grave atrocity against innocent Americans was not the previous assault weapons ban,


Yes it was. You freedom haters committed a grave atrocity against the American people when you violated their Constitutional rights.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But he is making the case I want him to make for me...so I not only do not want to stop him, I am urging him on.


All I'm doing is telling the truth.

And contrary to your claim, you've been objecting to me telling the truth.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I think you are not "sticking to the truth" by typing that sentence, Oralloy.


Nope. I was telling the truth there too, just as always.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:04 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Quote:
The White House today indicated President Obama would support legislation that would reinstate the ban on certain types of semi-automatic rifles – known as “the assault weapons ban” — and may support other efforts, such as a proposal to ban high-capacity magazines, in the wake of the deadly massacre in Newtown, Conn.


That, according to Oralloy, makes the President a hater of the Constitution and of freedom.


Well, yes. That's pretty straightforward considering his call to wantonly violate the Constitution.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
You gotta a bit of a kick out of his intransigence...although considering the cost for America and Americans of his kind of philosophy, there is more sadness than humor in his shtick.


Intransigence??

As If I should stop telling the truth and start lying just because you don't want me to tell the truth?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:05 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I'm curious, do you want them taken away from the police? If you truly believe the only purpose is wanton murder, surely you wouldn't want the police wantonly murdering people.


I do want them taken away from the police. The militarization of our police force is a serious problem for America and should be reversed immediately.

Quote:
Already unpopular? Nonsense.


The Republican party is currently enjoying the lowest approval ratings in pretty much 40 years. So, yes - already unpopular. Deeply so.

Cycloptichorn
farmerman
 
  4  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Uhhh disarming cops is dumber than arming everyone
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree. I'll wait until after Friday's press conf to respond further.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:11 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Uhhh disarming cops is dumber than arming everyone


Who said anything about disarming cops? I merely want their assualt weapons taken away. They have no use for them, no more than any citizen does. The number one thing assault weapons in the hands of cops lead to is dead citizens.

Cycloptichorn
Frank Apisa
 
  5  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:12 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Yep. Barack Obama hates the US Constitution with a passion.


Can't you post anything without irrational hyperbole?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 04:14 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I do want them taken away from the police. The militarization of our police force is a serious problem for America and should be reversed immediately.


Cool. That's one of the things I'd want added to any ban on large magazines.
 

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