Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@BillRM,

That's just one reason I don't own a 1911

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Agreed, qua most of what u said, Bill.
I c no long distance engagements in my future,
but (if u don't mind my asking) with .44 special
being available, Y 'd u prefer the lesser round of .357??

I like better STOPPING POWER.

I can see that the .44 special would have better stopping power than the .38 special, which is a marginal round.

But I don't see how it has more stopping power than the .357 magnum, which isn't even remotely marginal (on humans at least).

The .44 would have the advantage of looking more intimidating, perhaps making it unnecessary to pull the trigger.

The .357 would have the advantage of having two more shots in the same size gun.

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@oralloy,

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But I don't see how it has more stopping power than the .357 magnum, which isn't even remotely marginal (on humans at least)

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Stopping power and a 357 round comment there is one reported case of a police officer bringing down a charging black bear with his 357 revolver.

Not something I would care to attempt but at least in his case it did do the job.

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@BillRM,

Yes, shot placement counts for a lot.
(Is that a 4 inch barrel?)
My first love, at age 8 was a two inch .38 revolver,
but I upgraded to a .44 for better stopping power.

Some years ago, my research led me to the conclusion that
hollowpointed slugs were the optimal load, to maximize
energy-dump within the target. May I ask your chosen load ?

David

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@oralloy,

Well, the physics involved r better momentum with more bulk
n weight flying in your chosen direction, to better break a charge.

Yes, it DID have that intimidating defensive effect, in a silver-colored
"Stainless Steel Mirror" 2 inch revolver,
when I needed it, in low-light conditions.

My .44 revolver, Taurus Model 445 has 5 rounds.
Which revolver has 7 rounds in .357 ??

David

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Outside of Chicago, gun crime in this nation is way, way down.

http://news.yahoo.com/reports-show-gun-homicides-down-since-1990s-180334915.html

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POLITICO

Reports show gun homicides down since 1990s

It will be interesting to see how the left reacts to these facts...

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@H2O MAN,

Is it wise to leave the Glock follower spring fully depressed, indefinitely ?

No loss of tension ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

It won't hurt anything.

I have mags that have been stored loaded for years and they feed 100% when used.

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@H2O MAN,

Crime has become more dangerous for criminals
since almost all states have become "must issue" jurisdictions.
Well armed victims bring bad luck for criminals, most of whom r cowards.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Crime has become more dangerous for criminals
since almost all states have become "must issue" jurisdictions.
Well armed victims bring bad luck for criminals, most of whom r cowards.

David

A fact that will be totally ignored by anti-freedom nuts

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@H2O MAN,

That IS the difference in principle, Waterman:
we favor personal FREEDOM, whereas thay crave authoritarianism.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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hollowpointed slugs were the optimal load, to maximize
energy-dump within the target. May I ask your chosen load ?

The same.......

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Well, the physics involved r better momentum with more bulk n weight flying in your chosen direction, to better break a charge.

There is more to stopping power than momentum though. The higher velocity of the .357 causes the hollowpoint to open with greater violence and force than is achieved with slower rounds.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Yes, it DID have that intimidating defensive effect, in a silver-colored "Stainless Steel Mirror" 2 inch revolver, when I needed it, in low-light conditions.

I was thinking more of deterrence in well lit conditions where they can get a close look at the gun. The sight of a larger barrel opening (and with revolvers, the sight of larger hollowpoints) can convince bad guys that they really don't want to be shot by the gun that is being pointed at them.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

My .44 revolver, Taurus Model 445 has 5 rounds.
Which revolver has 7 rounds in .357 ??

Modern .357s by both Smith and Wesson and Taurus.

Some time during the assault weapon ban when semi-autos were limited to 10 rounds, they realized that they could make their revolvers competitive with semi-autos by expanding their capacity, so they expanded their L-frame .357s to seven rounds and their N-frame .357s to 8 rounds.

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@oralloy,

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There is more to stopping power than momentum though

The idea of momentum of a powerful round being able to for example knock over a big game animal is false even in the case of very high power big game rifles as the momentum apply to the animal downrange is the same as that apply to the shooter so if it can knocked over a bear it would be knocking the shooter flat on his or her back also.

It the energy not the momentum of a round that matter and how by the design of the bullet and the velocity of the bullet and a few other factors that energy is couple to the target flesh and bones.

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@BillRM,

RIGHT. To those, I add failures to extract from the chamber
and failures to load.

Some time ago, I was working out at a gunnery range
and I saw a bailiff whose magazine fell out of his automatic
maybe 4 times over 3 hours. That cud be embarrassing in a gunfite.

David

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For what it's worth, the Obama Administration has just decreed that all 3-D printer patterns for printing guns, magazines, and gun parts are the property of the federal government, and can no longer be posted on the internet.

Interesting that Obama hates the First Amendment with as much passion as he hates the Second.

Hopefully someone will fight this in court. Not likely that Obama's efforts to overthrow our entire Constitution will be looked at favorably by many judges.

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@oralloy,

As I had already stated in another thread not even the US have the power to control the flow of information over the net and the issue with the arm control laws had been run into before in regard to encrypt technology and the outcome was that the government gave up trying to block such technology transfers.

The plans for the gun in question were already beyond the government control before they pressure for the removal of the plans from the designer website.

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@BillRM,

Many engineers in all different places
will design newer n better guns for home 3D printers.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Many engineers in all different places
will design newer n better guns for home 3D printers.

Very true and if a designer in the US wish to remain inside the US exports laws as in the case of PGP encryption program all he or she would need to do is print out the details of the designs and mail it to someone outside the US who would return the plans into CAD files to be posted on the internet as the courts had rule in the case of PGP that the printed source code is protected under the first amendment if not the program file itself.

Legal thinking does not need to make sense in the real world but that is the state of the US court rulings as of now as far as I am aware of.

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