Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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@komr98,

komr98 wrote:

But a screwdriver can't fire 600 rounds a minute like some assault rifles can!

Your finger would fall off if you tried to fire a semi-auto 600 times in one minute.

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@oralloy,

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But a screwdriver can't fire 600 rounds a minute like some assault rifles can!

Your finger would fall off if you tried to fire a semi-auto 600 times in one minute.

Not only that but there is not a non-crew serve firearm in the world that could fired 600 rounds in one burst without going into melt down in one manner or another.

Even for fully auto crew serve weapons that are not water cool you fired short repeat short bursts.

You do not fired a one minute burst.

Not only that in order to get a one minute burst even if the weapon would not be ruin with the weapon cooking off rounds you would need a belt feed weapon. and that is not an assault rifle.

See below what the limit of even for heavy crew service full machine guns. No rifle is going to be firing 500 rounds in a minute even if it had the magazines to do it.

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Worlds_fastest_machine_gun

The highest-cycling practical machinegun (i.e. one that saw significant service) is likely the WW2 German MG42, with a cyclic rate of almost 1600 rounds per minute. With a well-designed belt feed system, and a easily-changed barrel, an MG42 could maintain sustained burst fire (i.e. 100-150 round bursts, 5-10 seconds apart) for several minutes, a far larger volume of fire than any other machine gun.

However, it has been shown that high rates of fire in machine guns are generally not useful. Unless the target is moving extremely quickly (i.e. aircraft speeds), a high rate of fire will place all bullets in virtually the same place.
For example, the above MG42 tended to fire a 5 second burst of about 100 bullets. The gun must then wait another 5-10 seconds (to cool slightly) before firing again. This means that those 100 bullets almost certainly covered an area of no more than a 10-20 horizontal feet at a typical engagement range of 400 yards. Compare this to a current-day machine guns, which have cyclic rates of 400-800 RPM, but can fire 20+ seconds bursts (shooting roughly the same number of bullets). At 400 yards, such a burst could spread 50+ feet. What this boils down to is that a moderate rate of fire has a better per-bullet chance of hitting something - the bullets are spread out more, covering more area, giving each bullet a greater chance of hitting something.

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@komr98,

komr98 wrote:

I have to admit, you make a great point. However, many kindergartners don't know how to use a gun and/or when it's appropriate to use one. I can see a lot of fatalities and injuries resulting from KINDERGARTNERS possessing firearms.

Firearm safety should be taught by the parents and supported by the schools. The same should hold true for driver safety.

komr98 wrote:

In regards to being able to kill someone with a car or truck, I think that can apply to anything. Someone could kill someone else with a screwdriver if they really wanted to. But a screwdriver can't fire 600 rounds a minute like some assault rifles can! I don't think you can rightfully claim that guns aren't one of the most dangerous things you can own.

No assault rifles have been used and it's impossible to duplicate 600 rpm with the human trigger finger. Don't be silly, guns aren't the most dangerous things you can own.

komr98 wrote:

And I'm not saying guns should be outlawed, just regulated so the wackjobs can't use them against innocent civilians.

wackjobs.

You have well armed criminals on one side and multiple layers of heavily armed law enforcement and military entities on the other side. The innocent civilians are in the middle.

Questions:

I'm not saying you have to have a gun, but what are you going to do when police are 30 minutes away and armed criminals have just walked in on your family?

Also, why would any American want to deprive innocent civilians of their firearms, firearms that could be used against wackjobs?

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@komr98,

komr98 wrote:

I'm not saying guns should be outlawed,
just regulated so the wackjobs can't use them against innocent civilians.

Unless u wack his hands off, as Julius Caesar used to do,
or kill him, how do u propose to prevent the "wack jobs" from using them??
The same way that u have stopped them from getting marijuana and heroin ?
If he is too lazy to make an AK47, can't he buy one
from a more industrious black market gunsmith ?
I hear that thay go for $12 in Arabian bazaars.

David

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@H2O MAN,

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Don't be silly, guns aren't the most dangerous things you can own.

We just got another fine example of that with two pressure cookers.

Background checks for pressure cookers and pipes and matches and sugar and...........

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@BillRM,

Fast cars or trucks aimed at crowds 'd
produce more victims than guns.

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And nuclear weapons would produce more than either. So what? Guns are used more often. Get rid of the guns, and there won't be the huge numbers of people killed with them every year, far more than are killed with people driving cars into crowds. Then we can work on that "problem", David

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Get rid of the guns...

You go out and get rid of the guns in the hands of criminals, then we'll talk.
Until then, piss off.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Get rid of the guns, and there won't be the huge numbers of people killed with them every year, far more than are killed with people driving cars into crowds.

Well first, no one is going to give up their right to have guns, so you might as well accept that America is going to remain free.

But even if we shifted those deaths from "gun-related" to "related to some other weapon" the victims would still be just as dead.

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By the way, I don't know if it has been mentioned on A2K yet, but there is a new creation from those guys who are crafting 3-D printer designs for high capacity magazines and assault rifle parts.

This time they created a single-shot .380 where the entire gun, barrel included, is made by the 3-D printer.

One interesting factor in their new design is that, while the gun is designed to be able to incorporate a steel plate that will set off metal detectors, it can be printed without the plate, leading to a gun that can freely pass through metal detectors.

This is clearly not the sort of gun that will ever be used for high pressure rounds, but perhaps shotgun shells are doable. If they can come up with a 3-D printer design for the equivalent of a sawed-off double-barrel 12 gauge, they'll really have something.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Do you think a lot about the most efficient way to kill people?

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@RABEL222,

Are you looking at hiring a hit man?
I'm sure the feds would be happy to speak with you in person.

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@oralloy,

Engineering improvements inevitably will come in time.

I look forward to brass shells being obviated (solid propellant)
and to superfrangible slugs that shred the inside of the target
without overpenetration, so no one gets hurt.

David

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@RABEL222,

No.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I look forward to brass shells being obviated

Hardly a new technology if you mean case less rounds.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company

Smith & Wesson acquired Lewis Jennings' improved version of inventor Walter Hunt's 1848 "Volition Repeating Rifle" and its caseless "Rocket Ball" ammunition, whic

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@BillRM,

BEAUTIFUL old gun; thank u.

New or old, automatics have been spewing shells all over the ground
for years, decades, centuries n millennia. I prefer revolvers.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I prefer empty shell spewing semi automatics Mr. Green

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

I prefer empty shell spewing semi automatics

Y ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

It's a power kick. It looks good. The gratuitous squandering of scarce resources always looks good.

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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

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