Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@parados,

parados wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Are you really this ignorant, or is it just an act?
Let me make it simple for you...treat every gun as a loaded weapon unless you unloaded it yourself.

A lot of gun accidents occur with an unloaded gun that people unloaded themselves. I can usually find a few every week.

If every gun is always loaded then you can only clean a loaded gun.

oralloy wrote:

Rule #1: All guns are always loaded, even when you "know" that they aren't.

Oralloy's rule is different from treating every gun as if it was loaded or assuming every gun is loaded which everyone who ever handled a gun should have learned. His statement is "all guns are always loaded."

Amazing that the five year old kid did not know that rule. Musta been stupid or something.

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Bump Frank's post

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@Frank Apisa,

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Amazing that the five year old kid did not know that rule. Musta been stupid or something.

No he has a very high IQ but he has similar faults as I do and forgets.

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Someone has finally been willing to challenge the Freedom Haters on the air.

Transcript from a Minneapolis morning radio show:

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[DAVIS] And here's the other thing that drives me crazy. They trot out the victims. And I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown, or any other shooting. I don't care if it's here in Minneapolis or anyplace else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn't mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I'm sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don't force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I'm sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is just afraid -- they're terrified of these victims.

[EMMER] Well they're being used -- they're being used...

[DAVIS] I would stand in front of them and tell them, 'go to hell.'

[EMMER] It's probably one of the worst, ah, political stunts you could do is to use the victims of the tragedy.

[DAVIS] And they fall for it every time!

[EMMER] Well, you know what, they're in a bad place, Bob.

[DAVIS] I don't care!

[EMMER] I understand, but you have to understand that these people might not realize until years later that they've actually been pawns of these political charades when it comes to issues like this.

[DAVIS] But someone has to tell them: Listen, I realize you have a problem. I realize you're a victim. But that doesn't entitle you to take my liberty. Why can't we just say this?

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2013/04/bob_davis_on_davis_emmer_show_says_newtown_shooting_victims_can_go_to_hell_audio.php

These guys will need everyone's support. The Freedom Haters really don't like it when someone dares to challenge them, and I expect there will now be a lot of malice directed at these guys for having had the courage to speak out.

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@oralloy,

Well, in fairness, thay counterbalance their hatred of Freedom
with love of distortion.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Well, in fairness, thay counterbalance their hatred of Freedom
with love of distortion.

the problem is that most Conservatives have long acquiesced to the liberal spawning of victim culture. It is kind of late to be objecting now.

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@hawkeye10,

Explain what u mean by "victim culture"?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Explain what u mean by "victim culture"?

a culture which revolves around victims, for instance the worship of victims and the demand that governments supreme objective must be to help victims. we build monuments now to the victims not to the heroic victors, this did not happen with out the support of conservatives.

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@hawkeye10,

I saw an item on CBS News which said that diagnostic tests created victims for the medical profession to treat and that much of this treatment is unnecessary and in many cases dangerous.

It was asserted that most of us have most of the things being diagnosed in some latent or mild form and that the test identifies them and then we are scared into accepting the treatment.

I don't know if this is true but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Explain what u mean by "victim culture"?

a culture which revolves around victims, for instance the worship of victims and the demand that governments supreme objective must be to help victims. we build monuments now to the victims not to the heroic victors, this did not happen with out the support of conservatives.

I guess that explains the insane desire of some gun owners to make themselves into victims of a government conspiracy that will take their guns away. They need to be victims to justify their position.

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Wish I could find the full clip and The Word 'N.R.A. VANA' from last wednesday's ep in a place everyone could access it - American can find it on http://www.colbertnation.com/ if interested

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@spendius,

As an experiment, will u go to have those tests
and their consequent treatment, run on u
and let us know whether u survive, or
whether thay have exSpended u unnecessarily ?

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@joefromchicago,

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None of this would have happened if those kindergartners had been armed.

It may have happened if the kidergartners were armed but it definitely wouldn't have happened if the shooter hadn't been armed. And you can't honestly think arming kidergartners is a good idea!

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@hawkeye10,

Thanx for the information, Hawkeye.
I am a conservative ( even rigidly orthodox ) Constitutionalist.
I have not worshipped victims, tho I 've sometimes been sympathetic to their plight,
or wished to see them be avenged.

I saw 9/11/1 as the occasion for military vengeance,
not qua victim-worship. I was in the WTC many times.
I 'd have seen NO value in having my name carved on a wall,
for all the good it 'd do me, if I 'd been killed in there.

David

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@komr98,

komr98 wrote:

It may have happened if the kidergartners were armed
but it definitely wouldn't have happened if the shooter hadn't been armed.
And you can't honestly think arming kidergartners is a good idea!

As the 7th US Circuit Court of Appeals has held:
the place where one has the right to defend himself is the place where he is attacked.

When I was in kindergarten, in NY, I had no access to firearms,
but I did when I arrived in Arizona, at age 8.
I took my two inch .38 revolver everywhere, n felt serene n tranquil with it.
I 'd have been able return fire, if the need presented itself.
My nabors were better armed than I was.

A potential murderer can take as long as he wants
either to make a gun or bomb of his choice, or
to buy one on the black market, the same as marijuana or heroin.

In the alternative, he can express his malice
just by running over a crowd of people with a fast car or truck.

Murderers did not find a need to wait until guns were invented
to manifest their ill will.

The victims have the Natural Right to fight back.
Government shud not gang-up with the malefactors, against the victims,
by disarming the victims beforehand.

I support the Constitutional liberty of the victims.

David

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And I support disarming the murderers.
Which gun idiots like David bitterly oppose.
He says even murderers need guns for "self-defense".
Usually, as it happens, self-defense from the good guys.
Of course they use them far more frequently for offense.
Davide is loopy.

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@MontereyJack,

Where does David claim that murder's can have guns?

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@MontereyJack,

Whether I have loops is off topic.

If a murderer is out on bail,
or has finished serving a prison sentence
and he is set upon by a pack of dogs in the street,
he has as much right as anyone else to fight back (equal protection of the laws).

Maybe u prefer discrimination
to "equal protection" of the right to defend your life.

If it were possible to disarm the murderers (unless u kill them also),
thay 'd re-arm, the same as thay get MORE marijuana, if the D.E.A. robs them
of the stash that thay have now. Right? True? Agree?

or do thay just say:
"O, well. The government stole my stuff,
so I 'll just go sell shoes or flip hamburgers; no guns & no dope for me."

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Where does David claim that murder's can have guns?

By enactment of the Bill of Rights,
the Founders put certain designated matters beyond the jurisdictional reach
of government; e.g., it cannot require attendance of any Church, nor can it edit the Bible,
nor can it interfere in any citizen's right to defend his life with his or her personal weapons.

However, men who have proven, by chronic histories of criminal violence
that thay r intolerable threats to others can be removed from contact
with the decent people; isolated for life, or killed qua some felonies, e.g., murder.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I have to admit, you make a great point. However, many kindergartners don't know how to use a gun and/or when it's appropriate to use one. I can see a lot of fatalities and injuries resulting from KINDERGARTNERS possessing firearms.

In regards to being able to kill someone with a car or truck, I think that can apply to anything. Someone could kill someone else with a screwdriver if they really wanted to. But a screwdriver can't fire 600 rounds a minute like some assault rifles can! I don't think you can rightfully claim that guns aren't one of the most dangerous things you can own.

And I'm not saying guns should be outlawed, just regulated so the wackjobs can't use them against innocent civilians.

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