Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

Mass shooting survivor argues against new gun control plan

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Spielverderber!

Translation: Prussian ceilidh pooper. Wink

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@parados,

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because there have been zero people killed by kids that got a chemistry set and later used it to make explosives.

Oh you are saying that no one who make home make explosives that killed others had a history of being interested in chemistry or having a chemistry set as a child?

My own childhood gun powder experiment combine the following the materials in a chemistry set along with the materials in a microscope set from the same company and a science fiction book that gave the formula for making gun powder.

Let see the book was the Gun Powder God by H. Piper.

Interesting oversight to have the three compounds needed for making gun powder in two sets from the same firm and where the likelihood of any one child having both sets kind of high.

I still can remember my delight after reading the formula in Mr. Piper book that I have everything needed to made some of my own gun powder.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

But a basic knowledge of chemistry can teach you how to build an explosive device.

Of course it can but somehow the number of people killed by explosive devices is almost none every year.

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@BillRM,

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Oh you are saying that no one who make home make explosives that killed others had a history of being interested in chemistry or having a chemistry set as a child?

I am saying there is no evidence of anyone killing anyone else with homemade explosives in the last 5 years. (Only about 30 were killed with explosives, most of which were manufactured by someone other than the killer.)

Meanwhile in those same 5 years over 45,000 people have been murdered by guns.

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@parados,

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Meanwhile in those same 5 years over 45,000 people have been murdered by guns.

LOL around a 150 thousands died in the same period due to second hand smoke including a large percent of children and over 2 millions due to direct smoking.

Seem very strange that the anti 2 amendment people care about numbers sometimes but not at others.

When they cried out for the need to ban one type of long rifle they do not care about the fact that all long rifles deaths are around 300 or so a year in a nation of 300 millions or so.

Then the fact that the murder rate is at a fifty years low is not of important either to them.

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@BillRM,

guy goes into a bank with a lit cigarrette .

"Hand over all the money or I give you all cancer from second hnd smoke"

Not a very comprable analogy Bill.

Why not quit the very dumass attempts at silly comparisons

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@BillRM,

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LOL around a 150 thousands died in the same period due to second hand smoke including a large percent of children

Let's assume 33% is a large percentage.
Are you really saying that about 50,000 or more children died from second hand smoke in the last 5 years? Really?
Are you sure you want to say that?
Really?

In 2010, 38 people under the age of 24 died of lung cancer. 37 of them were 15-24 and we don't know how many of them may have actually smoked themselves. But I guess 0.1% is a large percentage in your world.

*edit..
Or maybe you were referring to the 4 under the age of 24 that died from emphysema.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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When we finally realized how much devastation was being caused by drunk drivers, we passed and fully enforced drunk driving laws reducing deaths caused by drunk drivers by two-thirds over a decade.
It's time to fully monitor handguns, we need to know who is buying AND who is selling the weapon. The transfer of a deadly weapon ought not be protected by a mis-informed vision of a right to privacy, not should the Second Amendment be read as a license to own any and all firearms.

You do realize that there are hundreds of federal, state, and local gun laws on the books now, dont you.
Instead of passing more laws, lets try enforcing the ones already on the books.

Yes. I do. I also know that the gun owners of the USA fight every attempt to fully enforce the gun laws already on the books. It's a game they like to play.

Enforce the Law! but don't put any members of law enforcement on duty at our gun show, we'll hire our own boys to keep the peace.
Enforce the Law! But don't arrest or prosecute anyone just because they showed a piece during an argument down at the local watering hole. Even though that IS against the law, the boys were just getting a little heated, that's all.
Enforce the Law! What? You want this semi-automatic pistol but you have a background that can be smelled from the county line? Luckily, you know someone else who really wants the same gun and here she is....your, er, cousin right? Her name's Jill? No? I thought that's....well, never mind, partner, let's get her name on these papers here.
Enforce the Law! What? A seventeen year old got his ass shot by a passing "official" armed security guard? Shucks,,,,we won't even put his butt in a cell while we figure out what story to tell the DA.
Enforce the law! Just don't ask any annoying questions, okay. We're patriots.

Joe(And that guy Nation, he's a shithead)Nation

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Dammit, Joe. Every family ought to have unlimited access to Blackhawk choppers, tactical nuclear weapons and such. It takes superior fire power to win out over evil.

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@farmerman,

More then a fair comparison when people are trying to sell the idea that firearms are too dangerous to be in private hands and yet everyday items that results in far more deaths year in and year out and having no constitutional protections are not a problem.

Deaths are deaths..................

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@parados,

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In 2010, 38 people under the age of 24 died of lung cancer. 37 of them were 15-24 and we don't know how many of them may have actually smoked themselves. But I guess 0.1% is a large percentage in your world.

LOL you do know that people can died from second hand smoking that cause or make far worst diseases/conditions other then cancer I would assume?

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http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/

Secondhand Smoke Causes SIDS

SIDS is the sudden, unexplained, unexpected death of an infant in the first year of life. SIDS is the leading cause of death in otherwise healthy infants.6 Secondhand smoke increases the risk for SIDS.1

Smoking by women during pregnancy increases the risk for SIDS.7
Infants who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth are also at greater risk for SIDS.1
Chemicals in secondhand smoke appear to affect the brain in ways that interfere with its regulation of infants' breathing.1
Infants who die from SIDS have higher concentrations of nicotine in their lungs and higher levels of cotinine (a biological marker for secondhand smoke exposure) than infants who die from other causes.1

Parents can help protect their babies from SIDS by taking the following three actions:8

Do not smoke when pregnant.
Do not smoke in the home or around the baby.
Put the baby down to sleep on its back.
Secondhand Smoke and Children

Secondhand smoke can cause serious health problems in children.9

Studies show that older children whose parents smoke get sick more often. Their lungs grow less than children who do not breathe secondhand smoke, and they get more bronchitis and pneumonia.
Wheezing and coughing are more common in children who breathe secondhand smoke.
Secondhand smoke can trigger an asthma attack in a child. Children with asthma who are around secondhand smoke have more severe and frequent asthma attacks. A severe asthma attack can put a child's life in danger.
Children whose parents smoke around them get more ear infections. They also have fluid in their ears more often and have more operations to put in ear tubes for drainage.

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@BillRM,

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you do know that people can died from second hand smoking that cause or make far worst diseases/conditions other then cancer I would assume?

So? What does this have to do with guns and their regulation? The presence of one danger does not make the regulation of another unnecessary. What is your point?

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@edgarblythe,

Edgar,
I expected better than that from you.
Nobody is advocating any of what you claim, and nobody ever will.

But, if you have the money it is legal for a private citizen to buy a blackhawk helicopter, minus the military hardware.

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@Lola,

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So? What does this have to do with guns and their regulation? The presence of one danger does not make the regulation of another unnecessary. What is your point?

My point is that the anti guns groups do not in fact care about deaths only deaths that serve their anti guns campaign and to that degree they are being dishonest.

The figure I seen is that second hand smoking alone resulted in around 900 infants deaths from SID every year.

No big beating of the chests over those 900 infants who never get to grow up every year but if some nut would get into a hospital ward and killed 20 new borns with an assault rifle that would all we would hear of for a month or more 24/7 on the news channels along with statements of how can we not end at once this danger to our newborns at once.

People are not caring in fact about children but how they can used the deaths of children such as at Newtown to promote their own causes.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Edgar,
I expected better than that from you.
Nobody is advocating any of what you claim, and nobody ever will.

I suggest you read the posts of gun supporters. BillRM, H2OMan and Oralloy are advocating such action.

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@mysteryman,

Hi mm I realise its pretty hard to follow all the conversations in this thread but this has been covered

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You do realize that there are hundreds of federal, state, and local gun laws on the books now, dont you.
Instead of passing more laws, lets try enforcing the ones already on the books.

The NRA and the politicians they own have hampered the enforcement of these laws at every turn, the ATF hasn't even had a permanent chief for six years because of their political shenanigans, not to mention legislation passed to make it impossible to build database and track the bad apple gun sellers whose weapons keep turning up in crimes.

Here's a fairly neat summing up with links to videos explaining the methodology in a no bullshit manner. http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-nra-atf-gun-control-obama-2013-1

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@Lola,

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So? What does this have to do with guns and their regulation? The presence of one danger does not make the regulation of another unnecessary. What is your point?

His point is to try to deflect the implied danger that comes with the nature of possessing a handgun(s), because he is a gun owner....And dodge the question of responsibility that comes with it, or morality with guns...Than to acknowledge there are very serious consequences for owning a gun if not responsible...Because no gun owner wants to admit this, or they know it contradicts their points....Even if responsible with one...So if he acknowledges the above, then he knows it gets him to rationalize that guns are probably not the best solution...(at least not in every circumstance)...Rather than defend the right to own one, when he knows that (morally) everyone should not possess a gun, but (legally) Americans can...and it makes gun rights look foolish from the very ones who support them...

So they would rather selectively choose to bring up dumb ass comparisons...to try to negate the natural dangers that exist, as if we do not recognize them...Than to acknowledge why the dangers are there, but a good reason why more guns themselves would negate these dangers...but since it is self-refuting...they have no point, or answer...really...

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@izzythepush,

You lie, izzy and mysteryman is correct.

We aren't 'gun supporters' we are supporters of individual rights and the American constitution.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

I also know that the gun owners of the USA fight every attempt to fully enforce the gun laws already on the books.

That's a lie, but repeating it over and over has convinced you that you know it to be true.
It's criminals that fight the gun laws already on the books and you seem to be fine with that.

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