Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Joe Nation,

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The people who promote the possession of guns are responsible for all of those who possess guns.
This tragedy is the result of their failure to control who possesses guns.
Joe(Yep. They have to do it because they won't let us.)Nation
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My statement continues to strike a nerve among frantic gun possessors. Good.
They are the same ones who refuse to find ways of limiting the number of guns, especially handguns, in circulation, either through mandatory background check on all buyers and sellers of guns, thereby helping to create the gun culture which makes allowances for such things as the huge number of gun suicides in the USA and the unconscionable number of accidental shootings and deaths every year.
"Those aren't our fault!!" they say.
Yes. They are.
The flood of guns in the USA and the propensity of Americans to shoot each other is the result of the failure of gun owners to hold other gun owners responsible for the carnage.
Listen to what I am saying. We do not, we have not, held gun owners as a class responsible for what other gun owners do. Gun owners, as a class, make excuses for the abuses of other gun owners. They do not see much difference between a incensed husband who hits his wife with his fist and one who points a .38 at her head. Believe me, when I worked with law enforcement, I heard every excuse in the book for gun behavior and gun accidents.
When we finally realized how much devastation was being caused by drunk drivers, we passed and fully enforced drunk driving laws reducing deaths caused by drunk drivers by two-thirds over a decade.
It's time to fully monitor handguns, we need to know who is buying AND who is selling the weapon. The transfer of a deadly weapon ought not be protected by a mis-informed vision of a right to privacy, not should the Second Amendment be read as a license to own any and all firearms.

My suspicion is this: Gun owners won't confront other gun owners over responsibility because they are afraid they will get shot.

Joe(Me too, brother, but they have to do it because they won't let us.)Nation

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@spendius,

Dylan's expertise is what?

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My suspicion is this:
Gun owners won't confront other gun owners over
responsibility because they are afraid they will get shot.

Have another Bloody Mary Drunk

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@genefog2,

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Criminals love to hurt kids. It's molestation and child murder. When kids learn early about guns they are responsible as adults. I taught kids from childhood about guns and raised four of them successfully, so I can relate.

I am sure Adam Lanza's mother felt that same way...and was just as proud of the lessons she gave her son...right up to the moment he shot her, that is.

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@genefog2,

Maybe you should take exception to your strawman genefog2.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I am sure Adam Lanza's mother felt that same way...and was just as proud of the lessons she gave her son...right up to the moment he shot her, that is.

So the tens of millions young people who are introduce to firearms within their families with no harm done at all should be ignore and a mental ill person should be some kind of warning to not allowed the next generation to learn about the proper care and handling of firearms within the families of guns owners?

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Gun control doesn't prevent gun violence, it enables it.

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@BillRM,

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I am sure Adam Lanza's mother felt that same way...and was just as proud of the lessons she gave her son...right up to the moment he shot her, that is.

So the tens of millions young people who are introduce to firearms within their families with no harm done at all should be ignore and a mental ill person should be some kind of warning to not allowed the next generation to learn about the proper care and handling of firearms within the families of guns owners?

I did not say that at all, Bill...nor did I infer it.

Gene mentioned, "When kids learn early about guns they are responsible as adults."

I responded, "I am sure Adam Lanza's mother felt that same way...and was just as proud of the lessons she gave her son...right up to the moment he shot her, that is."

And I am pretty sure she did feel that same way.

Don't you?

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@Frank Apisa,

An once more the should the tens of millions who was taught to be responsible adults concerning firearms and in others areas of life by their families should be disregards due to the harm one mentally ill person did?

My parents as a matter of fact feel proud of my taking their training and being responsible around firearms and around others things for that matter such as shop tools in my grandfather wood working shop.

Your comments pointing to that very sick person Mr. Lanza and his mother being proud would not made any sense otherwise my friend and in any case it made as must sense as to state due to Ted Bundy parents having the sex talk with him and his resulting actions no parents should have a sex talk with their children as they just might become serial rapist/killers as a result.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5256889)
An once more the should the tens of millions who was taught to be responsible adults concerning firearms and in others areas of life by their families should be disregards due to the harm one mentally ill person did?

Your comments pointing to that very sick person Mr. Lanza would not made any sense otherwise my friend and in any case it made as must sense as to state due to Ted Bundy parents having the sex talk with him and his resulting actions no parents should have a sex talk with their children as they just might become serial rapist/killers as a result.

Sounds as though you are having a bad day today, Bill. If you just feel like arguing...there are plenty of people here willing to do so. I am not interested right now.

Anyhow...do you think Adam Lanza's mother thought she was doing right by teaching him (rather successfully, I would say) how to shoot a gun?

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@Frank Apisa,

The thing is, the NRA doesn't want to change anything about gun availability at all, they don't want to make it harder for mentally ill people to get guns. So why do they bring it up? Probably the same reason they talk about George III all the time.

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@izzythepush,

My guess is, people like Bill and H2O would have argued vehemently for the right of Adam Lanza to own as many guns as he wanted...and as much ammunition as he wanted...right up to the moment he started shooting all those kids.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Anyhow...do you think Adam Lanza's mother thought she was doing right by teaching him (rather successfully, I would say) how to shoot a gun?

Once more she should have known that he would become mentally ill to the point he would become a mass killer or for that matter no parents should teach the use of the family firearms to the children due to the possibility that one or more of them night become a mass killer later in life?

Hell no child should be given a chemistry set and books on the subject in case they used the knowledge to make gunpowder and other explosives to blow people up?

footnote I did end up making some gun powder and setting a small amount of it off is a heavy metal container open on the top on the theory it would be safer in such a container. The damn container rang like a large bell and I my ear rang for hours. Never try that again let alone trying to use this knowledge to harm anyone else.

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@Frank Apisa,

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My guess is, people like Bill and H2O would have argued vehemently for the right of Adam Lanza to own as many guns as he wanted...and as much ammunition as he wanted...right up to the moment he started shooting all those kids.

So no one should be allow to own firearms on the theory that they might be the .00000001 percent or so of the population that happen to be mentally ill to the point of maybe being mass murders?

No one should be allow to buy chemistry books either encase they might use that knowledge to kill others.

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@izzythepush,

The thing is, izzy doesn't want anyone to be self reliant, izzy wants government to be responsible for everything and held accountable for nothing.

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@Joe Nation,

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When we finally realized how much devastation was being caused by drunk drivers, we passed and fully enforced drunk driving laws reducing deaths caused by drunk drivers by two-thirds over a decade.
It's time to fully monitor handguns, we need to know who is buying AND who is selling the weapon. The transfer of a deadly weapon ought not be protected by a mis-informed vision of a right to privacy, not should the Second Amendment be read as a license to own any and all firearms.

You do realize that there are hundreds of federal, state, and local gun laws on the books now, dont you.
Instead of passing more laws, lets try enforcing the ones already on the books.

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@BillRM,

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Hell no child should be given a chemistry set and books on the subject in case they used the knowledge to make gunpowder and other explosives to blow people up?

Right... because there have been zero people killed by kids that got a chemistry set and later used it to make explosives.
Rolling Eyes

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@Walter Hinteler,

Spielverderber!

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@parados,

But a basic knowledge of chemistry can teach you how to build an explosive device.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation is right. That's plain common sense.

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